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Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The race for California

Clinton and Obama battle for a mother lode of delegates -- in a state with a nonwhite Latino, Asian, black majority. Who has figured out the electoral math?

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Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:57 PM

Article Doesn't Get the Math

The author of this article doesn't honestly seem to get the math. The statewide vote totals only allocate about 12 delegates, whereas most are allocated by Congressional district. Thus, Clinton may well win the statewide total and lose the delegate count or vice-versa. This who endorses whom stuff is puff and nonsense. If you really want to write an article about "the electoral math," then some actual math would have been useful.

Given that a majority of congressional districts have been allocated an even number of delegates, the fact is, whatever the likely range of vote outcomes, Clinton will get two delegates and Obama will get two. Only those rare districts, mine happens to be one, will a fifth delegate be allocated and then a slim majority of one takes the day.

A breakdown of those rare, odd number of allocated districts would have told use the electoral math. This article told us absolutely nothing useful.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:57 PM

W.E.S. and Hillary's health care

Actually it's too bad that she couldn't get it past seeing as she's so tough. She lost and kids went uninsured for another 16 years. This is why winning is so important.

The mistake the Clinton's made was to go after the divisive gays in the military issue in the first 100 days, therefore starting themselves off in a hole rather than going after welfare reform which would have given them the political capital to get gays in the military and health care done.

And, putting a divisive figure like Hillary in charge of it was their second mistake. She became a rallying point for defeating it just because she was involved.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:59 PM

McCain's Adultery

"If Hillary is the nominee, you'd best stay the hell away from this one for obvious reasons."

Why, is there strong evidence of Hillary committing adultery?

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:03 PM

On Health Care

Let's just say Hillary was way ahead of the pack, not to mention time, and leave it at that.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:05 PM

Hillary's "adultery"

Not at all (although I wouldn't be surprised). Although, there is strong evidence that your "strong leader who's so tough" let her husband humiliate her and walk all over her publicly in a way that, I would hope, most women wouldn't stand for.

Which by the way makes her either look incredibly co-dependent or incredibly conniving. Neither of which are very appealing characteristics when trying to sell a candidate.

Oh and if you don't get the conniving bit, the logic follows that Hillary let Bill do his thing in return for his support at her shot at the presidency.

It's sad but it doesn't even have to be true to hurt. Just ask Barack Hussein Obama ,"the muslim who was educated in a madrassa"

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:07 PM

@soopergrover,

"Oh if Hillary wins fair and square so be it. Personally, I don't think she can get elected dog catcher in half this country (including Ohio and Florida) ..."

Actually, since McCain has NO economic plan other than making Bush's tax cuts permanent (FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP), and has no interest in rebuilding the manufacturing or anything else that might provide middle class wages for the middle class (and NO plan to do something about the foreclosure tsunami), I think she'd quite well in those states - providing there is no voter fraud.

"I think the issue with McCain will have exactly the opposite of Hillary's problem."

Please remember my points about red v blue. Except for OH and FL, I don't think McCain or Obama or Clinton will change the color of any big state.

As far as his issues, he has actually done a pretty good job of dealing with them but lets look:

1. Keating 5 - He fessed up and did his straight talk thing.

Oh, yes, his straight talk thing. Except for when it's not. Please do not buy into the MSM's fawning press on this bastard. I posted on HTWW a bit about his Keating past. It is much worse than you make it sound, and he NEVER came clean - and he is still dirty. He is corrupt to the core.

2. His wife - Personally, if she has a problem with addiction, I am not sure going after her would be the smart thing to do.

McCain is supposed to be the law and order type. She got no jail time. And please do a little research on the McCain Machine's effort to whitewash her crimes. McCain is big on locking up poor people for possession of grass and other drugs. And she was allowed to adopt a child when she was actively addicted. And McCain lied about her addictions. And he continues to lie about it. And her medical bills are covered by the taxpayers - millions of who do not have health care coverage. It is a big issue.

3. His adultery - If Hillary is the nominee, you'd best stay the hell away from this one for obvious reasons.

And what reasons would that be? Senator Clinton did not cheat. She stayed in her marriage - you know, till death do you part and all that stuff. McCain did cheat - repeatedly and with subordinates. He dumped his wife after she became a cripple. And he left her for a younger, prettier, richer woman who could bankroll his career. (By the way, his wife and his father-in-law were involved in some scuzzy Keating commercial land deals.) I think the issue should be front and center. Women despise men who dump their wives for a trophy wife.

Where you hit McCain is on his tax policies.

Yes - and on everything we have on him. Please make an effort to do your own original research on McCain. The MSM - nor Salon - will do it for you.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:08 PM

Tell Us About

Your perfect Romeo and Juliet relationship.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:12 PM

And keep in mind,

that McCain is running on Character. And Integrity. And Honesty. And his Steadfastness. And his Straight Talk persona. And he is none of those things - that is my point.

You may be unaware, but we have actually had a president for almost eight years who also ran on Character. And Integrity. And Honesty. And...

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:15 PM

Moira Is Pretty Damn Tough

soopergroover needs a translator.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 01:19 PM

I posted this

on another forum. It addresses some of McCain's baggage.

PS Notorious W.E.S. Thanks for the compliment. But really, I just call them as I see them.

Would it be possible for Salon to stopping sucking McCain's cock long enough to publish a serious, well researched, well sourced, and honest accounting of John McCain's life? It would include, but note be limited, to the following:

1. Keating Five. Please include that McCain alone of the five kept his seat. All others - all Democrats - left office upon completion of their terms. Also include that McCain took more money than any of the others. And that it costs the taxpayers billions to bail them out. And don't leave out the good stuff about the involvement of McCain's wife and her father in shady Keating investments.

2. The dumping of his invalid wife when she proved to be less than useful to him.

3. The flip flopping on everything from Roe V Wade to immigration to evangelicals.

4. His mental instability and his physical frailty are incompatible with being president.

5. The only solution he can see to Iraq is a military one. And since there is NO military solution to Iraq...we'll be there for 100 years.

There is more, lots more, for someone with a serious work ethic and a nose for scandal to find out. The reason that so many GOPers hate McCain is because he is a colossal hypocrite. He is one of the most corrupt members in Congress. He has never earned an honest nickel in his life. The MSM love him, and they won't lay a finger on him.

I expect better of Salon.

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