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Friday, February 1, 2008 12:00 AM

And then there were two

In a highly anticipated showdown, Clinton and Obama duked it out, sort of, in a fight for the high road.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 08:42 AM

The VP Trap

Looking at the comments, I definitely worry for Obama in that I feel he got trapped by the VP question. If he had said no, he looks ungracious. If he begs-off the question, as he did, it fuels the imagination of the undecided voter and lets them "vote for Hillary" while still feeling they can get Obama. I don't think it works the other way around because I honestly don't think anyone believes Hillary would ever be his VP.

Somehow, he needs to squash that. Obama is the better candidate, and he should not hitch his wagon to the lesser light. Because:

(a) If the ticket loses... which it would with Hillary... then he is damaged goods a la Edwards.

(b) If they win, he is hooked to a 50+1 presidency and any dirt a Clinton administration hits, he will get splattered. Just ask Al Gore.

(c) I agree with Obama that this is a singular moment in history. In 4-8 years, either we will be drained by a presidency that is middling and problems that have gotten marginally but not substantially better -- and the youth vote will have been depressed again (why bother? nothing they do matters), people will be enervated, and the DNC will be looking for another wonkish Kerry-like candidate. This opportunity to transform, and moment will pass.

If he isn't President this round, there is a good chance he never will be.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:47 AM

Heavyweights?

One has slogans and the other has a husband who was president.

Both are corporate tools and puppets of the warbuckers.

Those two together are lighter than a feather and just as destructive as the united states military machine which both wish to wield at the behest of their masters.

No wonder they are smiling. The defense contractors have won the election.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:51 AM

Bertha, your post shows that you know nothing about Hillary Clinton

Honestly, I do not understand the hostility people have toward Hillary, other than that people have been buying into--at some level--the right-wing propaganda over the years, which has been proven, time and time again, to be false.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:52 AM

The elites really got you weinies by the nads

You strategize minute details, parsing the finest points among each of the hand-picked corporate approved candidate selections as if they are baseball cards, giving you the feeling of pretending you have some sort of power.

It does not matter-- Obama, or Hillary, or Huckabee.

What matters is the bigger picture of who OWNS these people.

But like chimps, you will persist in fetishizing your little flower farm of corporate goons as they primp and preen so you do not notice that some massive stink has gone down in Washington this past decade and a half, starting with your precious CLINTON.

Grow some. Then go look at who is talking abotu IMPROVING things, little things like getting us out of the 180 countries we have military bases in. The Empire cannot sustain like this, we do not have enough wealth, it is bankrupting us.

As someone put it, WHY DO YOU WANT THE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS? Are you mere American NAZIs?

Believe me, noone with a soul and a mind will EVER forgive you people for voting for one of these ass clowns in November and for driving this nation further into hell.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:55 AM

Let me finish that thought

Why will noone forgive you people for voting Assclown in November?

Because in 2006 you voted in your little Democrapic SAVIOURS, who were gonna roll into Washington and be HEROES to all of us.

We know how that went down.

The only conscionable vote is for an outsider. Vote Ron Paul, vote Nader for all I care. Just do not vote for these degenerate fuckers.

Or else that makes YOU a degenerate fucker too.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:57 AM

Good Day for Democrats

I'm 38 years old and a life-long liberal Democrat. In twenty years of voting in national elections, I've never had a chance to feel this good about my party's candidates or their chances in the November election. On that stage last night, I saw candidates who were not weak, not running as someone other than themselves, and not tearing each other apart in debates so rancorous that they did the Republicans dirty work for them.

Maybe it took seven years of the current disastrous administration to make Democrats work together. I don't know, but I do know that this is the best I've felt about my party's candidates and chances since I've been able to vote.

I could not agree more with Schaller that Blitzer was the sole loser on that stage last night, clearly trying as he was to get candidates out of a thoughtful discussion and into personal attacks. He wanted drama to prop up ratings; I'm thrilled that neither candidate took the bait.

I have been an Edwards supporter, and I watched this debate last night in an effort to figure out which candidate to support now. Frankly, I still don't know. As I suspected, Hillary came across as the better policy wonk, and Obama came across as a natural leader and an amazingly gifted orator. Contrary to their reputations, though, Obama last night backed up some of his big ideas with reasonable detail, and Hillary--safe from attack--let her funny and engaging side show.

So I still don't know who will get my vote when Kentucky primary comes around this spring, but I do know that if they keep this up, I'll be able to cast my vote come November without having to hold my nose while I do it.

Friday, February 1, 2008 09:05 AM

They work well together, don't they?

I loved the debate because it was uncommonly civil and substantive. I am not a civility addict by any means, and I think Senator Clinton would be a better street-fighter than Senator Obama (mindful of the dangers of undersetimating this very impressive community organizer and Harvard Law Review chief) in a time when we will need a fighter more than a uniter. I agree that Clinton-Obama would be a dream team, and maybe the combined strength of the team and the dream would be enough to overcome the force of racism or sexism that certainly will be directed against the Democratic candidate. The overall impression I had last night matches the view I held before the joint-press-conference, that Clinton is the stronger of the two. I think she looked like the big dog, Obama like the (extremely strong) pup. As for the reverse order, I can't see Obama's asking Clinton to be his VP, or her accepting.

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