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Friday, February 1, 2008 12:00 AM

And then there were two

In a highly anticipated showdown, Clinton and Obama duked it out, sort of, in a fight for the high road.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 08:13 AM

Humanus@ 2:27 a.m.

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion that Hillary supporters have all been kind and generous toward Obama and that Obama supporters are ugly toward Hillary.

You must not read the Salon letters much.

I have seen Obama supporters called "Obamabots" in these pages. There were sneering references to the "robotic chanting" at his South Carolina victory rally. Some even went so far as to suggest there's something vaguely "fascist" about Obama supporters. (Has Jonah Goldberg signed up with the Clinton campaign?)

Too many Hillary supporters seem to be operating with a persecution complex. Any criticism of her is decried as sexist or a plot by the media against her. It is NOT unfair to ask her about her vote for the war. And all of the folks busy whining about it failed to notice that Blitzer last night didn't give Obama a chance to respond straight-up to her response. Instead, he turned to Obama and reframed it as a "the surge is working" question.

Reasons I support Obama:

Obama didn't support the biggest foreign policy mistake in recent memory. Hillary did, and, for whatever reason, can't just admit that she was W-R-O-N-G.

The ugliness of Hillary's campaign, trying to twist things that she KNOWS are non-issues into issues. (voting "present" in the Illinois legislature, suggesting Obama is not pro-choice)

I don't think Hillary can win in November. The people who think she's bulletproof from the right-wing noise machine are delusional. You think they're just going to bring back Whitewater and Travelgate? You think they don't have any NEW material?

Finally, I really do think this country needs a fresh approach to leadership. Obama supplies that. It's time for a new generation to lead. I know Baby Boomers don't want to hear that. They stamp their feet and say "We're not done! It's still our turn!." But your younger siblings (Obama's generation) and your kids disagree.

Funny that the generation that once wouldn't trust anyone over 30 now thinks experience (i.e. being older) is the be-all and end-all. How dare that Obama INSPIRE people!

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:17 AM

@ aka Smith and Humanus

Smith, no offense, but what you said about the sexy ticket is kinda creepy. And its not a dream ticket. It's a waste of time, and could turn into yet another Hillary cheap tactic. Hillary could suggest choosing Obama to try to scam some people who are leaning towards Obama into voting for her, thinking they can still get both of them as running mates, which simply will not happen for so many reasons.

Geographically, she wouldn't pick a person from a blue state she'd win anyway. Cynically, she wouldn't pick a minority. And her ego wouldn't allow her to even consider someone who is far more charismatic and more well liked than she is- Obama as the VP is the definition of what they call the unbalanced ticket. The only way she'd take Obama over a midwestern whitest of the white male would be if she had no choice, and the DNC shoved him down her throat. And that's not gonna happen.

So no, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You have to choose Hillary OR Obama, you cannot have both.

Humanus, you're right, my McCain over Hillary is telling. It tells you that no matter what Hillary says I DO NOT BELIEVE HER. It tells you that I would rather take a person who I do not agree with but at least respect over a person who I have not trusted or believed in over a decade. She quite frankly in my mind will say or stand for anything, as long as she sees two polls that tell her that it works in some vague demographic. Seriously, she manages to smile for two hours and you think that makes me forget just how nasty and unethical she is?

If it comes to Hillary versus McCain, I'll vote for McCain and bank my hopes on the democratic congress on holding the line on social issues. Obama as VP does nothing to change that, because like I said, the VP is a nothing job.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:30 AM

The "Dream Ticket" Is Science Fiction

If Obama is even considering the number two job, he should talk to Al Gore first. Mrs. Clinton threw Al Gore under the bus during the first round of the Clintons. Mr. Clinton, and probably the Missus too, would do the same to Barack Obama. I think Barack is a lot smarter than to fall for that trap.

John McCain has got to be praying hard that Clinton gets the nomination because she is probably the only force that can unite the Repubs if/when McCain is nominated. Obama as VP would not change that calculus.

Obama as the nominee makes it confusing for the party of hate, who do they hate more, Obama or McCain, and could fracture it into pieces.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:31 AM

McCain=War

Another bombing at a pet market in Baghdad, 67 people killed, many more injured, who knows how many animals killed and maimed.

Last week our Air Force dropped 100,000 pounds of bombs on a Sunni farming village. That's the same amount of bombs that were dropped on Guernica, which became synonymous with slaughter.

McCain says we'll stay in Iraq another 100 years if we have to. For what? So more of those brown skinned Muslims can die or be torn apart to make us safer from a threat that never was.

No thanks. Vote Democratic, or vote Republican and have blood on your hands.

Friday, February 1, 2008 08:35 AM

concrete jungle

Senator Obama and Hillary Clinton's "friendliness" was a gesture of civility;it did not translate into 'sexy" by any stretch of the imagination.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated that money, power, privilege, and clout are wonderful attributes in this American, power-driven political climate. However, leaders are born with natural talents and gifts that can be developed but cannot be manufactured.

Hillary Clinton lacks leadership skills. She has poor timing, a tin-ear, lack of empathy and grace.

She is amoral and cold.

Hillary Clinton has alienated AA; they will not kiss and make-up because their votes are needed to put a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and her supporters need to figure out a way to grab that seat in the Whitehouse without their old reliable base of African American Voters.

Not this time, big Dawg.

Not this time, Queen.

Talk to the hand.

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