Letters to the Editor
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Do Over
The problem with Clinton getting it to count is that some of the voters may have voted differently, having been told that it would not count.
A bunch of Obama voters, for example, may have thought that, since it didn't matter anyway, they'd ensure a somewhat decent Repub if they voted for McCain, whom they could tolerate, over Romney, whom they could not. See what I mean? I know it could have gone the other way, too, but honestly it seems likely that Obama voters could go for McCain (not in the general, but as sort of middle of the roaders, would want to be sure that, given Dems' tendency to lose elections, there was someone they could tolerate as Pres.) Other Dems may have thrown their vote to Paul or Rudy or some other lightweight, to skew Repubs. The point is, they were told their votes wouldn't count, weren't they? So it hardly seems fair to count them now, unless there was a do-over.
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In other words, TishiJo,
Obama, always gracious, always mannerly, and never inclined to actually snub his rival at the State of Union Address -- I say this because Salon is not really covering that mean little incident -- has decided that playing by these "rules" suits him enough to subvert the will of the people of Florida, seeing as how it benefits him.
I think the whole drawn out primary is absurd -- and expensive and exhausting. Hold all primaries on one date. Period. This is the way to be just and fair to every state.
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Deadhead.
Great post.
Rescheduling caucuses at a later date in both states would seem to make the most sense. If deadhead's math is correct and we're due for a brokered convention, simply changing the rules and seating the current delegates will never, ever work.
For the record, I'm an Obama supporter, and I find Clinton's situational ethics pretty gross in this instance, as in all too many of late.
Regardless, if the election is decided either way - or in any way, to be fair to JRE's longshot chances -- by the the current status of Michigan and Florida, there'll be blood on the floor, and the losing side will think they got screwed. Best to attempt a do-over.
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This is going to be really ugly
I hope Obama knows what he's doing, but it looks like he just let Hillary steal the election. It was never about race, it was just about winning. All the handwringing last week about race and Billary, etc. should have come down heavy on Hillary's change of heart last week.
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@ The Deadhead
Thank you. I am a mathphobe, and you explained it so well that even I can understand it. This certainly explains why Edwards is hanging in there. I guess he could write his ticket in the next Democratic administration. I think he would make a fine Attorney General. By the way, he's my guy. I guess this would be an appropriate place to post this link:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/29/155546/479
Only Edwards is the true progressive populist. But if you are really rich, then go ahead and vote for Obama or Clinton.
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@ The Deadhead
Thank you. I am a mathphobe, and you explained it so well that even I can understand it. This certainly explains why Edwards is hanging in there. I guess he could write his ticket in the next Democratic administration. I think he would make a fine Attorney General. By the way, he's my guy. I guess this would be an appropriate place to post this link:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/29/155546/479
Only Edwards is the true progressive populist. But if you are really rich, then go ahead and vote for Obama or Clinton.
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Hilary on snub
It's off topic, but it happened during one of her appearances on cable as she was doing her "victory" rounds. I think it was Hannity & Colmes, but it could have been MSNBC. Someone showed her the Obama "snub" picture and asked if she was snubbed. I thought for all the world that she was going to take the high road--the question was rather drawn out, so I was smiling inwardly and anticipating a similar reaction from Hil, kind of like, "for goodness sakes, this was nothing at all. Please don't make something out of nothing." I was genuinely shocked when she gave a coy smile, a fake hurt hesitation, and made some statement that seemed to confirm that indeed she'd felt snubbed. Having seen all four photos of the "snub," it seems obvious to me that she was not, or at the very least that it is indeterminable whether she was or not. I had NOT seen the photos before her response, so given her insinuation, I went online expecting to find something egregious. It is simply not at all clear that she was--and even being there she could not know for sure--and I think he clearly was distracted, not snubbing her at all.
Look at all my previous postings. I have not been one of those polarized by Clinton--I have always said I would vote for her if Obama is not the candidate, and I admire her debate performances, her smarts, etc. But this particular response to this particular question just brought me to some tipping point. I turned to my husband and said, "Unless I find some obvious, unequivocal snub by Obama, I will not vote for that woman." I can't explain why this was so revolting to me. It was EXACTLY what others have been saying all along about her playing the race card and everything else, that I've been resistant to believing. It's like she is deliberately playing a psychological game with Obama/the press/Americans. I simply can't stand disingenuousness, and I hate that she chose to bring this petty bickering to FOX NEWS. (Hell, I can't stand that she patronizes FOX NEWS). I can't possibly vote for someone who is this cunning.
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"The former first lady"? She's a two term Senator. You're disgusting, Shapiro.
Only when the dimensions of her South Carolina setback were clear did Clinton begin portraying the Florida vote as ... well ... the 2000 Florida vote. The former first lady suddenly had a new cause -- justice for Florida. She pledged on primary night to do everything in her power to guarantee that "Florida's Democratic delegates [are] seated."
You only refer to Clinton as "the former first lady"? She's a two term Senator. You're disgusting, Shapiro.
Enough of this crap, Salon.