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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I can't speak for all Obama supporters, but I can speak for myself. This white 45 yo female who has never missed voting in an election will not vote for HRC. Ever. I watched the SC debate with the mindset of trying to listen to her objectively with the intent of maybe being able to vote for her if need be. I came away from that with my negative opinion solidified. Yes, I know that HRC supporters feel the same about Obama's performance. I think all that debate did was to make everyone sure that their candidate is "the one". I am an independant from Georgia and Obama will get my primary vote on Feb. 5.
I live just up the road in NC and in national elections, voting Dem is a vanity vote, at best. It's meaningless as this state has swung far to the right for decades and there really isn't any GOP candidate they wouldn't elect. As far as black candidates are concerned, Hell, North Carolina has had ONE, a single black elected official to a statewide office, since RECONSTRUCTION. And he lost in 2004.
And lemme tell yall something about women candidates in the south. Elizabeth Dole is barely tolerated by her own party here; for being a woman and for being almost a carpetbagger herself. In order for a woman candidate to be truly successful let alone a Dem woman, she'd have to be 10x fundo-crazier than a man.
Regardless of which candidate gets the Democratic nomination: if the losing candidates do not urge their followers to support the winner, then damn him or her to hell.
EDWARDS 2008!
Remember the Whigs? They came about to counter the original Democratic party, mainly because it was necessary for a 2 party system. Key Whigs died and the Whig party split on North/South lines. Some joined the Democrats and others founded the Republicans. The civil war kind of nailed it down. Parties aren't forever. Our country is severely divided. It is possible that another party could split out of the existing structure. I do what I can to get progressive leadership elected at a state level in the hopes that they will work on behalf of the people rather than the corporations. If enough people did this, there could be enough political clout to split out a new party. This is why I speak out against voting for a bad candidate because the other is slightly worse. Anybody who votes against their own interests has nobody to blame but themselves.
It doesn't matter whether whites in SC or AL or TX or ID will vote for Obama, only if whites in OH, PA, FL, MI will. In the last two elections, a few more votes in FL or OH -- or less shenanigins -- would have changed the result. That's the Electoral College for you. As much as Obama is a potential uniter who could bring progressive-agenda changes by having broad popular support, it still comes down to those 271 electoral votes and the 3 or 4 swing states.
I have to agree with Rush, who said Hilary reminds men of their nagging first wives. I'm not saying that's fair, just that it may be true for millions of white skinned, blue collared Reagan Democrats.
is not that should would have a failed presidency like the Bushes , but that she would have a successful presidency.
It is clear that this is true of the Hillary haters from the democratic party as it is of the republican.
she gets from rolling with dogs.
Indeed, the Clinton campaign reminds me of the relationship between the Junkyard Owner and the Junkyard Dog "he's not my dog, but he'll bite you for me [but that's not my fault."
I am not involved in any campaign. But on forum after forum it is extraordinarily obvious that some of the posters are simply regurgitating pre-written talking points, and not opinions formed by themselves, and the Hillary backers seem to be a lot worse than the Obama. I mean, for a virulently dishonest e-mail, seemingly stuffed with campaign talking points read --Anonymous at January 23, 2008 11:40 PM
It is in fact the rather snide, sneaky and slimy tactics of these posters (a few on this forum), their obvious association with the Clinton campaign, Bill Clinton's use to throw mud, etc. that is rapidly making me decide that Hillary is bad news. There is a liar in the White House who dodges responsibility for what his people get up to ... does the US need a second. Hillary seems to think so.
I am a white, 40-something woman from South Carolina, and I have been a volunteer with the Obama campaign since June. I'm not seeing the "overwhelming" support Hillary has among whites in South Carolina, but I'm deeply immersed in the Obama movement, so I'm certainly not getting a clear view of things.
That said, I am struggling to work through what I'll do if Obama does not win the nomination. I'm a lifelong Democrat, and began this campaign by saying, reflexively, what I've always said, which is "I'll vote for the Democrat in November, whomever that is." But over the past several months I've found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of voting for Hillary. And believe me, I really WANT to be comfortable voting for her if she is the nominee. I have always been loudly critical of those Kucinish/Nader kinds of voters who believe their idealism trumps pragmatism. I still blame the Nader voters for the Bush victory in 2000. So my uneasiness with a November vote if Obama isn't the nominee doesn't make me happy at all.
I'm still working through this, but right now I think my bottom line is that I have been personally transformed by the Obama campaign, and I'm not willing to go back to politics as usual. The behavior and actions of Hillary, but more to the point, Bill and Hillary, is turning my stomach. It's like looking back at an old boyfriend who was truly icky, despite his charm, and, through the lens of maturity and growth, being almost embarrassed by that relationship. Not a perfect analogy, but the best I can come up with right now. I don't want to go back to that.
But I am honestly in a quandry, because I know that we'll just have two viable choices in November. I think idealistic voters are choosing their ideals over their right to participate in the collective, and I think that's selfish. So what to do? I honestly don't know. I'll work my ass off this Saturday as part of the Team Obama that's going to get the vote out here in South Carolina, then I'll volunteer somewhere on Super Tuesday, and I'll hope and pray that things fall the way I want them to. If not, I do not want to pray that I lose what I think I have gained from this campaign - the belief that things CAN be different - but if that ember of hope does die, I'll probably vote for the D in November. But I'll be sad that I've lost what I feel right now.
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