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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
After this letter, I'm boycotting Salon until after the primaries. Grow the fuck up, Salon.
You have been believing the news reporters too much.
McCain has serious integrety problems and is the biggest flip flopper amoung Republicans and Democrats.
Plus he wants a 1000 year occupation of Iraq.
So you like McCain better than Hillary? McCain is a better guy?
But is it worth destroying America to make a stand?
Don't people know that the reason a Republican or an Indpendent may vote for Obama in a primary is to nullify any legitimate vote in the general election? This is called "crossing-over" and it's been done forever.
I think that Obama loves this country enough and having made it this far, with so many people avowing their support for him, would indeed vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. Anyone who would do anything to jeopardize this election and help insure a victory for any GOP candidate, after the hell in which the Republicans have put this nation and the world, is not worthy of his/her citizenship.
Let's see if Obama's bark is as good as his bite.
Let's see if Hillary's actions are as good as her words.
Let's see how much John Edwards loves his country.
Oh, Christ! I wish this was all over. It's driving me nutz.
cythera45 wrote:
Most of these Clowns Who Say They Won't Vote for Hillary in the General... don't vote anyway. Because they are principled.
There. Fixed that for ya.
OK, boycotting after this letter. ;)
I know that Obama sincerely wants to rise above typical political mudslinging but his ardent supporters, who are so resentful when he gets splattered, are the first to turn vicious.On all of the different conversation threads I read I see Clinton supporters saying if Obama wins the nomination they will support him. Not so with Obama supporters if they don't get what they want they are going to pick up their marbles and go home.Is this because they are young and immature? Is it the independents who won't join a party and fight for real principles so they can lay back and be ironic and critical. This does not seem like truely strong progressive support to me,more like a personality cult.Voters who really want a change in policy and recognize the real trouble this country is in should vote for the winner whomever that might be.
"A lot of people are excited about Obama's run, and a lot of people just aren't excited about Clinton's run (putting it politely as I can). "
Except for the matter that more people are voting for Hillary than Obaman. And she is leading Barack in the polls for most of the rest of the states. If that holds up, she will win the nomination. Funny how that works. The people with the most votes wins.
I guess excitement is overrated.
in 2008 after 9/11 and the 'united we stand" mantra.. at the end of the day...
Bradley Effect rules the day in NH, NV, MI.....
What a bunch of interesting comments!! My husband and I are certainly turned off by Hillary and Bill - after reaching the point of liking Bill - and we've both privately threatened to not vote for Hillary - ever! But some of the posted comments have caused me to re-think: would I let idealism outrank pragmatism? Good point! At this time in history I really, really, don't want the Republican platform to dominate - no matter who is in the White House! I'm closely following the middle of the road, very intelligent bi-partisan statesmen that met at the Univ. of Oklahoma recently (Bloomberg among them)to talk about the current divisiveness and whether or not to inject an Independent Party with one of their own - presumably but not necessarily Bloomberg - to run if either nominee seems too divisive or radical. Wait and see, I guess. At any rate, our vote here in Idaho won't count for much! Pat in Idaho
I wouldn't say that winning Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and soon, South Carolina. Each of these is different. Same for Michigan. Each state has it's own peculiarities so far as what it takes to win. The February 5th Super Tuesday is the first REAL test. That day is a 22 state, United States wide test. It will test:
Effectiveness of message across multi-racial, ethnic, class, gender lines. Is my message being received across these groups?
Strategic and tactical approaches to the campaign. Has Obamaistas or Clintonistas put too much emphasis on one aspect of the overall campaign? Too much money spent on messages going out to African-American or White Southern Male or Female voeters? Does micro-approaches (zip codes, known demographic data on, say, location of highest concentration of single white women)?
Does the candidate have to be present in order for the message to be delivered? Can surrogates do the prep work for candidate? (Who has the stature and effectiveness to be in one state and have a surrogate deliver a winning message for the candidate)? That means: does Obama or Huckabee have a Bill Clinton in her or his tool box?
How is money spent effectively and wisely? Has the candidates wins increased the flow of cash, or, has it plateaued, or even diminished? If donations have plateaued or dropped off prior to Super Tuesday?
Organization. Who has the best organizational infrastructure in ALL 22 SUPER TUESDAY states plus, South Carolina, Florida and the next, say, five states to hold primaries? This is a tremendous factor in winning. For Democrats, super delegates are vital to edging out the opponent, since the race now is delegates. In fact, aiming for delegates IS a strategic approach for the Dems, and in a sense, cuts down the impact of winning or losing specific states.
Obama must also, finally, have more people voting for him than say they will vote for an African-American. I'd guess he therefore needs to have 5% MORE saying they will vote for him than may actually vote for him. So, he needs, say, a 10% support showing v. a 5% showing.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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