Letters to the Editor
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If Clinton is the nominee, here's how she can win the general:
Democratic presidential candidate: Senator Hillary Clinton
Democratic vice-presidential candidate: Governor Bill Richardson
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AKA
Kucinich or Biden would be good VPs too.
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that's enough
I didn't think the democrats could find a way to make me do it. But I am looking at the republican field trying to decide with whom I could live. I don't believe in self-disenfranchisement so I will vote. But I think if McCain is the republican nominee, I may just go that way that reward this ugly ugly behavior from both of the camps of the democratic front-runners.
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the truth be told...
Neither Clinton nor Obama stands a good chance of winning in November. If clinton is the nominee the Republicans will be energized beyond description, independants and quite a few Democrats sick of the Clinton psycho drama won't support her. If Obama is the nominee he will lose a considerable number of white Democratic votes (that's just the ugly truth no one likes to talk about).
The greatest irony: the vast majority of Americans want us out of Iraq, but we will elect a man who just said staying in Iraq for a century is ok with him. Neither clinton nor Obama will stand a chance against war hero McCain (who will be the Republican nominee).For all the talk of the strong field of Democrats running, the party put its eggs in the "historic" election basket and will end up with a candidate who will face nearly impossible odds.
I hope people are happy with things the way they are because we're looking at another 4 years of it.
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From what I read about Bill Clintons antics today
I am quite confident I will not be voting for the corrupt Clintons. I am quite tired of holding my nose to vote for the Dem candidate, but the Clinton antics have reached an all time low.
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it's true that
Democrats will not have a cake-walk in the November election, no matter who we nominate. But the plain fact is, Americans are disgusted with the way this country is being run. They are disgusted with the way the economy is going, and they want out of Iraq. The individual voter wants someone who is going to be sensible with foreign diplomacy and about the economy.
I think that most people will vote with their principles in this upcoming election, even if that means voting for a black man or a woman.
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Hillary
Re: "If clinton is the nominee the Republicans will be energized beyond description,..."
I'm not so sure about that. I was on Free Republic and some other conservative websites and some of them are afraid that Hillary can win because of the women's vote. Furthermore, they have noticed her ability to come back no matter what is thrown at her.
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TIGHT SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT NOW
Well, well, well...Obama supporters are complaining how his Reagan quote has been distorted. Now you know how it felt when you guys played the race card by distorting Bill's 'fairy tale' and Hillary's 'LBJ' comments. This stupid game of taking a word or a sentence and making an issue out of it has to stop--on all sides, including the media.
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Damn the media
They need to sell ad space (television and newspaper), so instead of telling stories about things that are relevant to people they take the easier (if more divisive) route of creating controversy to get people to pay attention. I blame them for the Bush years, for the ignorance of the American people about world events, and for the current battles between Clinton and Obama supporters. This started out as a wonderful year for the Democratic Party - but it's quickly turning into an embarrassment for America.
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I'll Go Out on a Limb Here...
"From what I read about Bill Clintons antics todayI am quite confident I will not be voting for the corrupt Clintons. I am quite tired of holding my nose to vote for the Dem candidate, but the Clinton antics have reached an all time low.
-- Zinzen"
...and say, I call bs that you have ever voted for a Democrat in your entire life, such as it is.
rock on brother. your hate is energizing me.
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Latin vote
As Latina woman I can tell you the media doesn't understand the relationship between African Americans and Latinos. This outcome was perfectly predictable and will also be the result in California and New York.
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Not at all..
There are plenty of independents like myself who do not want to see Bill Clinton in the White House again, and will vote any way we can to stop it.
There are even more Republicans.
So gloat all you want, Hillary.
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Democrats have to unite
Voters will have to hold their noses and vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. It will be very myopic for African Americans or Hispanics to sit out the presidential elections should their candidate not win. Both Clinton and Obama, both centrist, or rather to the right, Democrats and both beholden to big money, are far better than John McCain who will be the republican nominee. I have no doubt about that. Guilliani is toast and the rest of them are just gnats on the corporate elephant's arse.
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Isn't it ironic...
So, let me get this straight. The Clintons did well in the casino caucus stations. The same stations they were trying to have the courts shut down? Had they succeed in their aims to change the rules last minute, they would have hurt themselves.
Bill and Hillary Clinton's strength is also their weakness. They are smart and calculating politicians who know how to play the game. But time and time again they have played the game too well for their own good.
Think of the Lewinsky scandal and all the damage Clinton did to his presidency by playing verbal games during depositions rather than plainly admiting the affair, apologizing to his family, and resuming his governing duties.
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Reaping the harvest.
"...and say, I call bs that you have ever voted for a Democrat in your entire life, such as it is."
Why would you presume Zinzen never voted Democratic, just because he's disgusted with Bill Clinton right now?
I worked for him for four years, and I'm completely disgusted with Clinton right now. (As is Ted Kennedy and Rahm Emanuel -- See Jonathan Alter's new piece at Newsweek.)
At any rate, Joan, it's a bit disingenuous to ignore the many egregious lowballs coming from the Clinton campaign over the past two weeks -- as this column mostly has -- and then profess shock when the caucus has all the marks of a gutterfight on the ground. What did you think was going to happen?
Is the Obama team blameless? Well, I would've rephrased the UNITE ad, if it were up to me. But they've been more aboveboard than the Clintons, who've both been shameless and positively Rovian in their tactics thus far this primary season. Of that, there is no doubt.
The Dems' only consolation is that the Republicans have their own internecine war going on right now. So, if Clinton turns out to be the nominee, she may still be able to eke out a victory regardless, despite her having much less crossover appeal than Obama.
But she'll have to do it with a lot fewer Democratic votes than she had two weeks ago, and the wounds of this primary war won't heal for some time to come. Such is the price of a gutterball campaign.