OK, what about Israel's nuclear weapons program? Can we stop pretending that no one knows anything about it now?

Their last 2 years of promising war with Iran it turns out are bullshit and nonsense? Seriously, From Sy Hersh on down it's been a steady stream of "I have absolute proof we are attacking Iran in the next 2 days I swear I promise!"

It's in the basement of the World Bank and Illuminati. They're poisoning the water with fluoride too.

With that talent for concise straw man hyperbole, you could easily work in the Bu'ush administration.

My memory tells me that the "intelligence community" did not have it wrong regarding Iraq's WMD. It was Dick Cheney's fake intelligence community that cherry picked the data to form the "intelligence" around the policy. The real intelligence community had all the right information, it was just never allowed to see the light of day.

The 2005 NIE had scant credibility because most non-neocons knew that it was the product of Cheney's stove piping of intelligence. It was obvious that, once again, "intelligence" was being formed around the policy of invading Iran. I suspect that the same data that is in the 2007 NIE was available at the time of the 2005 NIE. It just did not got shoved into the wrong stove pipe.

The most amazing thing is that this report was released! It suggests that Cheney and his band of liars have lost some of their control.

Anyone who thinks Bush's wetdream of attacking Iran is any less likely now is either a fool or hasn't been paying attention. There's always the "tactical necessity" ploy, Iran still shares a border with Iraq, I believe. And why would Bush need any political cover at this point in his administration anyway? In his mind, a closing strike against the evil-doers further assures his legacy. Releasing this NIE is a desperate attempt to head off yet another radical and disastrous military adventure and I give credit for a nice try. However, it's just as likely to hurry the incursion as to preempt(there's that word again)it, our boy gets pushed, he pushes back.

Who has the nuclear football? Nancy, Harry, Barbs? Well forget impeachment, you blew that one, just get the nuclear football away from these guys. GET THAT FOOTBALL! Call the Joint Chiefs, tell them to take away Shrub's keys. Then we can all sleep at night, and let Bush be Bush. Just GET THAT FOOTBALL!

The tone of the article seems to suggest (very heavily) that the Bush Administration wasn't being entirely honest about Iran.

I find this totally outrageous! Who edits these articles? How could any editor possibly let such piece be released?

Can anyone think of even a single example wherein someone on the Bush team wasn't totally transparent in their dealings with the public or ever acted with less than due dilegence?

To suggest that this Administration hasn't totally earned our trust after seven years is utterly outrageous!

Articles such as this only embolden the enemy! How many troops have just had their lives put in danger by daring to be less than worshipful of our Warrior In Chief??

Great. Because you liberals wrote this article now we're going to lose the war. And watch! You'll try to somehow put the blame on Bush!

He worse a flight-suit for you people!

A flight-suit!

What more can you demand of one man with a serious drinking problem (who also snorted A LOT of coke)??

Damn liberal media.

who wrote:

Their last 2 years of promising war with Iran it turns out are bullshit and nonsense? Seriously, From Sy Hersh on down it's been a steady stream of "I have absolute proof we are attacking Iran in the next 2 days I swear I promise!"

-- Nulla Sallus

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You know, Nulla, you have a habit of ignoring crucial parts of any argument. The *whole point* of publishing all those articles was to create some pushback against war. I read most, if not all, of Hersh's work on this subject, and he never said "we're going to war, period." What he said, at least, in my understanding, was: "we're going to war unless someone puts up a really good bureaucratic fight against war."

And his articles were intended to lay the groundwork for that fight.

And it appears to have worked. Salon's articles may well have done the same. Far from slamming Salon, and Hersh, maybe you should be grateful: maybe we won't go to war with Iran because of this work.

These articles were not "bullshit and nonsense" as you say. They were reasoned arguments against war. And maybe they actually helped carry the day. You confuse cause and effect in a rather obvious way when you write this kind of thing.

Bush was a danger before the NIE, and Bush is a danger after the NIE.

This messege will self-destruckd in five seconds ...

bah.

Now that we have not just common sense, but intelligence on our side, we have to put up. That is stand up to Bush and prevent a disasterous war with Iran. That's all of us--congress, citizens, the media, the Country. If we can't use this revelation to stop Bush's Bomb Iran plan, then at least we'll have settled the argument about whether we live in a democracy or a dictatorship.

The effect on Hillary's campaign may be enormous. While her vote on calling Iran a terrorist state may have played well with the Jewish community, it was not enthusiastically received by Democrats, independents, and the youth and may account for her losses in the latest polls. In her desire to woo conservatives, she showed herself, again, to be a dupe of the Republican spin machine. This makes her appear too willing to sell out and Democrats who had feared this about her may well interpret her vote this way.

the only security for any country is power, particularly the power to deliver nuclear bombs to an attacking country. since the usa has been demonstrating an intention to control middle east oil for more than 50 years, more recently by invasion and occupation of iraq, little wonder that iran wants a few atom bombs. you would too, if in their position.

the grand plan of cheney-rumsfeld has met with some unexpected resistance but has not failed. the democrats are going to stay in iraq too.

iranians are not fools, nor cowards. they will have the bomb, plan on it.