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Monday, November 5, 2007 12:00 AM

I feel your pain

New proof of "mirror neurons" explains why we experience the grief and joy of others, and maybe why humans are altruistic. But don't call us Gandhi yet.

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Monday, November 5, 2007 09:31 AM

Hmmmm now this makes me wonder

People who suffer from autism are less empathic, worse at reading the emotional states of others, and less emotionally connected to those around them. Functional MRIs show they also appear to have significantly less mirror neuron activity, says Iacoboni. Strengthening mirror activity in autistic kids, through imitation and other simple exercise, seems to help them, says Iacoboni.

I have noticed that people who do academic science often are less empathic, worse at reading the emotional states of others, and less emotionally connected to those around them.

Maybe a lack of mirror neurons helps one become the kind of socially detached workaholic one needs to become in order to be competitive in science?

If we stimulate the mirror neurons of young nerds, will they stop being nerds and lose their ability to focus so intensely on weird things?

We need nerds. Nerds do good things, like science and math for example.

What if we try to fix them and end up breaking them instead?

Monday, November 5, 2007 09:15 AM

No one said anything about stamping out your religions!

Nowhere does the article imply that scientists are trying to explain the WHY of altruism and empathy. At least not on a "meaning of life" scale. Just the how. If we can map and better understand the biology behind how we've evolved to utilize our neurons, why does that have to "split the lark" and remove the beauty and awe of consciousness? Life will still be beautiful and full of mysteries for the duration of our time in this world. Even with many times the knowledge we currently possess about the brain.

Monday, November 5, 2007 09:08 AM

Humans don't seem very altruistic right now

New York City has lost most vestiges of real altruism. It seems to apply altruism by proxy if at all. At the moment I write this millions of people are experiencing the pains of war, imprisonment, and torture to say nothing of the smaller sufferings of human life. There is far too often "nobody home" when real help is needed.

Monday, November 5, 2007 08:55 AM

Acting on your feelings

"Hers. I'd taken them with me. I stood there, tears streaming down my cheeks. But I had no death in the family. No breakup. No terminal diagnosis. And I didn't even know her or why she cried. But the emotional pain, her pain, now my pain, was as real as day."

I am sure it was! But enough feeling already. Why didn't you sit next to her, ask her if you could help, ask her if she needed help. And had you acted you might have been able to tell us the "why." This sounds like another episode of "watching from the window and doing nothing."

Monday, November 5, 2007 08:45 AM

A bit of Buddhism in response

As bloomsbury and fuzzo already pointed out, altruism and compassion are not mistakes, problems, or irrational. Rather it is precisely BECAUSE we are all connected that we feel compassion and altruism.

One of my favorite Buddhist expressions is "when one lights the way from someone else, he lights his own way as well." When you help, ultimately you help yourself. Compassion is literally self-interest, even though it is motivated by selflessness.

The oneness of self and environment is a Buddhist concept that is 3,000 years old. There is unlimited potential in each moment of life, and it is the tendancy of the self to be "swept up" in the moment by the happiness or unhappiness of the lives around the self, and the environment where the self exists. The life-condition (how happy or unhappy) the self is also permeates the environment simultaneously.

Because we are all individuals with our own perceptions, it is difficult to believe that we are connected to the environment. As western religion teaches, we see the world as this place that was created before we got here, and we were thrown onto it. The Budhist view is to understand that there is no life without an environment and vise-versa. The illusion is to see the self as seperate from the environment, and other people. Reality is to understand that we are connceted to the environment the same way that fish are connected to the water in which the swim. One doesn't exist without the other.

I believe that this will be a paragigm shift in thought, because I truly do not believe the human race can exist any longer without without developing understanding and consciousness to this principle.

Monday, November 5, 2007 08:42 AM

Survival

Mirror neurons look like a survival tool for a group of people. If one is in danger, that pain will directly transmit to the rest of the group, and they can then take action. Makes perfect sense.

So, in explaining Republicanism and centrist Democratism, is there some 'short changing' of this neuron in some people, so that they do not fell the same level of empathy? I.E. like psychopathology?

Monday, November 5, 2007 08:33 AM

I'm not a neurobiologist... and yet...

Gordy Slack's article immediately made sense to me.

We who are highly sensitive, whether for good or not, pick up other people's emotions and their bodily states too, consciously or more often, unconsciously.

I have a nephew who is very tuned into others. He seems to read my mind. We both must have an unusual number of "mirror neurons" or whatever this phenomenon will ultimately be called. When we are together, if I have a bump on my head, he gets one on his. If I think about something and say so aloud, he'll be thinking the pricise same thing. He's had chronic stomach pains and now I have that too. This is merely one of a million examples of how we who are on the far, theother end of the autism spectrum have the joys but also the pain of knowing others deeply.

For an immediate example: Last night I was with my adult daughter who tends toward the autism end of the spectrum tho she is surely NOT autistic. Let's say she has episodes and always has that look schizoid or lonely or cut off to me. So, a group of us were walking around Manhattan and she was forging ahead, alone, clearly wanting her own company.

After a while I became concerned since she can isolate herself and I feared she was doing just that.

I caught up with her and she was in a bad mood. I asked why. (At the time I was feeling almost blissful)--She said: "I have a pain in my stomache." Me: "So let's go to Duane Reede and buy some peptobismol" --a medecine that usually stops her pain. She refused, and we entered Barnes and Noble as planned.

After a mere ten minutes in the store, while she was upstairs and I was downstairs, an awful feeling came over me. Not stomache ache per se, just a total downer. I knew from long experience that it was her pain I was taking on, involuntarily, but habitually. She got steamed at me for being a 'downer' while I noticed she was now fine, or at least she became a part of the group what I could no longer handle. I had to leave and get some fresh-ish air.

I do not mind taking on others' ills if I can throw them off. But that is tricky business if the other is walled off and/or too familiar and important. Another example: My dad, my most beloved parent, was having dialysis in the early 80's. My mom had died so I did most sessions sitting with him and like the comment about a brother being too empathic, I felt his pain. And one day, a nurse said, "here take a valium, it often helps." I will never forget the moments after he did so, how I relaxed noticeably, as if we were in one body.

Which brings to mind the film ET. To best understand my unusual body/emotion/thought-sharing with my nephew my reference point for now is that film. While re-watching ET together we found ourselves laughing-- for the film mirrored our most unusual and usually pleasurable bond.

Remember? ET drinks beer at home and the kid gets tipsy. To me, this phenonemom is all too familiar. Altruism is also higher with us who pick up others' moods. But one must TRY and have a few boundaries or else the mirroring types will die out. That is no joke. I think this psychology, which is mine, is potentially as pathological as autism. So friends here: What is the term for "too little autism" because that is where some of us live, for good and ill.

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