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Monday, August 6, 2007 12:00 AM

Cheerful boos for Hillary

At the YearlyKos convention, the mixed reception for Hillary Clinton is more evidence that the liberal blogosphere might not take sides in the coming Democratic primary.

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Monday, August 6, 2007 04:24 AM

Hillary As Button-Pusher

Right up front: I love Hillary, am working hard for her election as President by voicing upcoming TV/Radio spots for her and can't wait to feel the tectonic shifts she creates getting America pointing in the right direction once again.

To read screeds by some posters here...Christopher1988's are especially opaque, with no light getting through at all...is to see naked biases and non-functioning brain-matter. It's fun to see the various buttons that she pushes with some of these people and the reasons behind their reactions.

I'd posit that many are misogynistic and wouldn't even vote for their mothers. Others are nicer, but, are still afraid to break with "tradition" and vote for a woman.

Finally, the vapidity of those posters who focus on what photo of Hillary is used is hilarious. The style-over-substance crowd can always be counted on to add their "challenged" opinion.

Folks, relax: Hillary will make a first-class President. She is an amazing person who is bright, engaging, of great humor, possessed of gravitas, seriousness and abundant compassion.

She will be the perfect antidote to the wretchedness of George W. Bush. Thank God!

Monday, August 6, 2007 05:06 AM

Ok, now I'm...

...getting a little tired of the "b" word.

Blogs are blogs. They're opinion. Yes, they are belleweathers, but do they actually affect, say, more than the 10% most engaged voters? Do they attract the majority of funding?

Or are they an exercise in meaningless "mee mee mee" self-aggrandizement?

Ok, they bring serious thought to the exercise of American elections, but in the end, the election is still about who lies the best.

I dunno. I'm just suspicious, I guess. How long until bloggers are replaced by something else equally obscure? And when do we get our country back? Or is this it? 24X7 chatter about chatter about chatter? While China eats our lunch as the first neo-fascist state in the 21st century? While speculators destroy housing, eat up entire industries, like, say, the media, and continue to bubble vast amounts of cash culled from us dopes?

I guess I'm wondering why we think YearlyKOS is all that important. But maybe the question is its own answer.

Monday, August 6, 2007 05:14 AM

I wouldn't accuse others of vapidity

When your making arguments like this:

"I'd posit that many are misogynistic and wouldn't even vote for their mothers. Others are nicer, but, are still afraid to break with "tradition" and vote for a woman." - AnaHadWolves

Good luck helping Clinton alienate even more of the country with this condescending, sub-academic psychoanalysis of why they refuse to avoid for a corporatist candidate who had been cheerleading the Iraq occupation less than a year ago.

"The vociferous wing of DailyKOS who attended YearlyKOS, and who - judging by the reports - appear to be the majority of representatives there, are the same brand of self-absorbed blowhards that voted for Nader in 2000 despite knowing that the country's future hung in the balance." - jebldmm

It's funny that you say this after an article that pointed out and numerous readers comments that attacked the Kos-community's willingness to compromise on principle to get the Democrats elected. The commenter who said that the Kos community are loyal party operatives first and loyal progressives second was absolutely right. Turn off the Fox News, friend.

Monday, August 6, 2007 05:33 AM

Ignorance anyone?

That attendees are cheering or booing at this point in the campaign is proof enough for me that they are ignorant of issues and candidates agenda. Those of us who have seen these donkeys in action over the years are quietly awaiting something of substance to respond to. Poor Dennis. Speaking the truth is risky business.

Color me cynical. I did save the photo however. It's wonderful.

Monday, August 6, 2007 05:36 AM

That is so 2000

"Why don't people vote?" Kucinich asked, rhetorically. "It's because they don't think there is much of a difference between the two parties.""

Certainly both parties re similar in superficial ways. They are too dependent on fundraising. They worry too much about protecting incumbans. They both sometimes place party objectives (to stay in/regain power) over actual legislating. They are too cozy with lobbyists.

But to say there is "no difference" is to collossally ignorant of the last 7 years. Al Gore may not be Jesus Christ reborn, but had he been innaugurated in 2001, the country , the economy, the Supreme Court, New Orleans, environmental policy, and the world would look a lot different.

The Supreme Court alone is a *big* difference. Not to mention a little place called Iraq.

Kucinich got it quite wrong. And he simply must start his own party if he feels such disdain for his own.

Monday, August 6, 2007 05:54 AM

Goldman Kossacks?

...I'd be curious about seeing reported is the demographic composition of these "Kossacks" and other "1,500 liberal bloggers and activists" -- I mean, are they all white and upper middle class? Were there any working class bloggers attending? Are there even any working class liberal bloggers out there? Black bloggers? Latin bloggers? And so on? How many of the 1,500 are from elite universities? I would think Salon would do people a service by revealing information on that, to get a better sense of what this "movement" (?) represents. Who gets to attend the party says a lot about what gets said at all.

It's likely that the 1,500 are an even narrower wedge than the broader demographics of the Democratic Party's potential primary (and definitely general) electorate. So, yeah, Clinton would play well with that crowd.

I'm much more in favor of big tent liberalism, versus narrowcast, focus-grouped, pinpoint progressives. I think the Democratic Party would benefit from having a lot of ideas introduced at the table, versus everybody being railroaded into supporting a politician or politicians who represent a very narrow set of ideas.

Monday, August 6, 2007 06:08 AM

The nroots needs to chill out.

Clinton is our best shot by far at President. The GOP smear machine will eat Obama or Edwards for lunch within days. Neither one is able to contend with it, nor has the experience to. The lastest rounds with Obama's "management" of foreign policy questions proves it.

Clinton also can appeal to center left and independents where the others are unlikely too. Most important she has the EXPERIENCE and access to the best of the best to put on her cabinent, and hell only knows you'd have to be dead not to realize that's the most essential thing now given the state of affairs domestically and internationally.

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