Amen!

The middle eastern body counts go unnoticed. They are terribly uninteresting and are not broadcast ever since the embedded reporters were ejected at the end of the war. Most people never hear about the 60 people dead, plus the injured who would not succumb to their injuries. There was a point in time where if an American bomb maimed a child that child would be brought to the US, given treatment and possibly even raised in America. We don't give the best care to our soldiers -- they get medical treatment maybe not luxury accommodations. How many one legged Iraqi's do you not want to hear about?

Even with the pressure Democrat's put on the subject, really waiting to see some progress or failure, nobody cares. That demonstrates two things

• the power the CIA has over the media
• the complete actual disinterest the American people have for the Iraqi and anyone middle eastern or Muslim

There is no lump in American throats.

McCain's running on the same fantastic plastic a brief moment of silence got us started on. How many people laughed on 911? How many people think they know what am man's gotta do when a man does what he's gotta do? When you start talking about "pulling out the troops", you know what that sounds like? It sounds like a big mess. Anyone can realize that paying $20k a year in taxes is like plantation mentality. If you have kids, you are really kind of bound to whatever it takes. If not you really don't give a hoot one way or another. I mean you can tell me all the reasons in world a fat girl should go on a diet but seriously what are the most realistic expectations.

McCain was a politician I got excited about, and I NEVER get excited about politicians. As a centrist conservative who thinks the GOP got WAY too far gone with God 'n' war 'n' gays 'n' corruption, I was thrilled with his stances... I donated money, joined his "Straight Talk" thing... I bought into the whole deal. Even Dems who I talked to trusted him, and would have voted for him.

I had my eyes open, though... I knew he could win a general election (maybe easily), but not the Republican primaries.

Then he started campaigning for Bush in 2004, and sold his soul.

Now? His right-wing pandering has made him Just Another Politician in my eyes. And I think I'm not alone. It feels like a betrayal. I want the 2000 McCain back.

With "All the Ships at Sea" We the People need to "W"onder and remember Torture and Terrorism.

Remember their Hero Ronnie from Death Valley Days. If you can remember, recall Ronnie's Apology for that FRIGATE mistake of Iranian Air IR655. No Guantanimo Bay there just another Mid-East Gulf.

Perhaps this new Falligua is no really like that Warsaw Ghetto, and these Neoconmen can rustle up another Dien Bien Phu to save the installed Iraqi Government. Can they convince that tasty shrub to be the Provocateurs of Tehran.

They should speak their NEW CLEAR INTENTION, that these United States are NUMBER ONE.

No SCUDS for you guys, and certainly no Nukes; but we do like your Persian Rugs.

PLEASE FORGIVE US, OF OUR FRIGATE MISTAKE, and with all our ships at sea there is NO need for those Relatives of Dead Passengers to become TERRORISTS. Heck we we produce our very own after we showed them how to KILL on that Desert Sand. Terry McVeigh learned his lessons 'over there' yet somehow he used them right here.

Richard Millhouse Nixon was noted to say of the American Public "How quickly they forget".

This AMERICAN PATRIOT never forgot Gerald Ford and his Pardon, which set up every one of those NEOCONMEN.

I saw the younges at President Ford's Eightieth Birthday Party. the youngest of their ilk was 'in Nixonian training' and is now a SOBEIT Supreme Court Appointee.

Dear John,

How could You forget the Hanoi Hilton?

Dear Joe,

How could you forget the Warsaw Ghetto?

Which part of that shrup are you tasteing, and is it healthy?

HOW COULD EITHER ONE OF YOU, John McCain or Joseph Leiberman FORGET: "TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATED FROM ALL ENEMIES______"even the Domestic ones? You BOTH took that Pledge!

IMPEACH

In dismissing those who oppose the surge, McCain said this,

"They are saying that it will fail, because if you thought it would succeed, obviously, you would support it." That's faulty logic. It may be that you think that it could succeed, but it will do so at such a high cost that other, less costly options, such as diplomacy, should be attempted first. It also completely ignores that no one has defined what "success" means in this context. Is success immediately ending the violence in Baghdad? If so, I doubt that any plan can "succeed," but it seem particularly disingenuous to support a plan that will so obviously increase violence as the best option. Is success allowing the Iraqi government to rule their country? If so, then this plan can't succeed since the Iraqi prime minister has opposed the plan. I think the closest thing to a success that we can hope for is to an end American deaths and casualties in pursuit of unattainable goals, and the most obvious path to that success is to bring the troops home.

I see now. I had misinterpreted your letters.

Your point is now taken, and I sincerely hope you are right.

ironocrat wrote:

The problems with our country started before Bush and will outlast his administration. His departure will not by default lead us to a panacea of progressive Democratic leadership. If you think the right is going to stop their campaign to screw up everything we've accomplished in the past several decades, then I'd like to have a few sips of whatever Kool Aid you're drinking.

-- ironocrat

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I didn't say that people would not vote for a GOP candidate because of Bush. Bush is a symptom, not a cause. The symptom is the loony-fringe right's 40-year campaign to take over the GOP. Bush is the result of that. The takeover is complete.

My point was, unless the Dems are so heedless they don't deserve to govern anything, the GOP is easily beatable now, precisely because of the looney-fringe takeover of the GOP. They will be hoist on their on petard.

They aren't stupid mind you..people like Grover Norquist and Karl Rove know that most Americans don't agree with them on a whole range of basic issues. So, they lie and distort, and have their candidates do the same, until they get elected.

The Dem's job here, is to reveal the lies for what they are, reveal the true agenda of the looney-fringe right that now runs the GOP. If the Dems can't do that (since the MSM won't do it for them anymore), then the GOP could well take the Presidency again. I never said the GOP didn't consist of superior liars. It does. They could lie their way right back into power if the Dems don't get the job done.

My point is, the Dems have an opportunity here, if they take full advantage of it, by exposing the GOP for what it is now... I'm imagining a whole slew of videos like the one that sunk George Allen. This is not out of the question. Catch Giuliani or Romney or McCain or Brownback or who knows who else, talking to GOP base audiences in the South. Inevitably they're going to say things that a majority of Americans will not like and do not agree with.

That was my sole point. No kool-aid involved..