Letters posted here are associated with the following article:

244
Letters
Friday, July 28, 2006 12:00 AM

The "hiding among civilians" myth

Israel claims it's justified in bombing civilians because Hezbollah mingles with them. In fact, the militant group doesn't trust its civilians and stays as far away from them as possible.

The letters thread is now closed.

View:
Saturday, July 29, 2006 06:28 PM

Hey Cosmo...

glad to hear Israel is a multi-cultural democracy. No problem then if I immigrate there as a secular person with no ethnic Jewish background then, right?

Saturday, July 29, 2006 07:01 PM

To "Anonymous"

If you're a non-Jewish, secular person, you can immigrate to Israel about as easily as someone could immigrate to the United States. You can stay there for a few years, do naturalization, and all that.

Of course, if you're a political hostile who plans to destablize the state, they may not want to let you in. It's their right.

Do you think every nation-state has the right to decide who can immigrate and who cannot? Just asking.

Saturday, July 29, 2006 08:43 PM

What's the difference between a Salon reader and a guy who shoots up a Jewish center

No seriously, what's the difference? There's no punchline, I'm honestly trying to think of a difference. Maybe it's just a lack of courage.

Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:47 PM

What nonsense!!

Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:32 PM

the blind eye of mr. Prothero

how transparent you are, Mr. prthero!

you "forget" to mention 1/3 country in Israel ,is for 17 day, under rockets and missiles loaded with 40,000 samll iron balls each, that kills in a radius of 800 meters.rockets that are forbidden in all international conventions.

you "forget " to say that Israel is the only army in the world that send leaflets from the sky to tell the enemy - get out of this erea before we bomb it.

you "forget" to mention that one bright day the Hizballa attacked, killed and kidnaped- out of the blue.

you cry for lebanese casualties, and forget to mention israeli children and women who were killed and injured by those missiles.

you "forget to mention what other option do we, Israelies , have (as a matter of fact-none).

In general, you forget to say you are pro terror.

by the way- the Hizballa do use civilians to hide weapons in their houses, like the use mosques and like they used the unifil soldiers.

they do not mind casualties, they are ruthless, fanatic and do not mind the well of Lebanon at all!

Sunday, July 30, 2006 01:38 AM

Discussing Choice

Choice. What are the choices at hand? People seem to forget how things started, 18 days ago.

Things started when Hizballah launched a massive rocket attack on northern Israeli towns, as a DIVERSION maneuver created to throw off Israeli security from the real action - the attack on 2 Israeli jeeps driving ON THE ISRAELI SIDE of the Israeli-Lebanese border. The Israeli side, mind you. In that attack, which was totally pre-meditated, and included the use of RPG rockets and a hidden charge against, 3 Israeli soldiers were killed and 2 were kidnapped.

This act of agression was unprovoked.

Israeli left Lebanon 6 years ago. In the time that has passed, Hizballah has built itself and prepared itself for a military operation against Israel. Israel enetered Lebanon in order to retreive the 2 kidnapped soldiers and to make sure that Hizballah could not repeat this stunt 2 weeks from now.

What was Hizballah's choice - and what was Israel's choice? Do people really believe that Israel should have negotiated with Hizballah and return alleged "prisoners" to Lebanon? What would assure Israel that Hizballah won't do it again soon afterwards? And more so - when the rhetorics of Hizballah call for the destruction of Israel...

The Lebanese people have suffered for the past 25 years. Only now, after being helped by the US, Syria had been driven out of Lebanon, and it's tentacles had loosened their grip on that land that was never legitimately considered by them as a soverign country. Beirut was looking for an economic properity. TOURISM - unimagined 2 years ago - was being thought of and seriously considered. On the other hand, Hizballah's interests are to keep Lebanon in a state of poverty and misery. Hizballah's network of free schools, free health and free food would be totally unnecessary if the Lebanese citizens will be sulf sufficient, not depending on Hizballah's mercy. This is the main reason for what we are seeing now. And this is why the pummeling of civilian targets in Lebanon serves Hizballah's interests.

If the Lebanese don't understand that the affiliation with Hizballa and the harboring of their activists will lead to their eventual destruction, then I guess there is no hope. But there is a choice for the Lebanese.

What is the choice for Israel?

Sunday, July 30, 2006 02:28 AM

On terror from a civilian base... and weak, subjective reporting

This article had a great, catchy headline: `hiding among civilians` - a myth. Now that got me - and others - interested. Surely we'll see some counterproof here?

No. This apparently was just lousy reporting: ignoring obvious facts, not questionning and looking for more facts - which others found easily. For one example, see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1832931,00.html

Definitely not a pro-Israeli source, mind you...

Reality: Israel was repeatedly attacked from lebanon in spite of having completely withdrawen from it, as recognized by the UN (which again is definitely not pro-Israel...).

Attacks are by Hizbulla, which were left free hand in building military force (in civilian areas) by the Lebanese goverment and people.

Did Hizballa build defenses? No; they collected lots of offensive, terror-style weapons: imprecise, but why care, when you shoot them at cities anyway?

How would you react to a terror organization building such force on your border and then doing border skirmishes on your soldeirs and civilians?

How, in good faith, can Israel protect itself - except force Lebanon and its people to take responsibility?

Think carefully on what is written in the article. Hizballa did take this office in the middle of town. What exactly is Israel expected to do? Isn't this hiding within civilians? Are there any Hizballa camps which Israel could fight?

Sunday, July 30, 2006 02:58 AM

This article is being targetted by GIYUS.org

The "Give Israel Your United Support" website is sending people here to give a pro-Israel biased slant to responses to this article.

See here:

http://giyus. org/alerts/

(Remove the space I inserted)

Sunday, July 30, 2006 03:02 AM

Hezbollah terrorists admit hiding among civilians

To all those who would like to learn the "facts", please copy and paste the link below and read the article where Hezbollah terrorists ADMIT hiding among civilians.

http://ws.giyus.org/points/point?id=69

Most Active Letters Threads

509

The crazy, irrational beliefs of Muslims

Tom Friedman explains the real problem: stupid Muslims think the U.S. is about war and aggression.
426

A key British official reminds us of the forgotten anthrax attack

A vast array of establishment and expert sources do not believe this episode was really resolved.
311

The face of rotted Washington

Evan Bayh demands more debt-financed war - fought by others - while boasting that he's a stern "deficit hawk."
210

Is Obama's civil liberties record understandable?

Was it unreasonable to expect him to adhere to his commitments regarding the Constitution?
151

Bigotry wins in Switzerland

By voting to ban the construction of minarets, Switzerland apes the most extreme intolerance in the Muslim world

View all »

Letters Help

Currently in Salon