Dear Mr. Manjoo,

you must be getting paid a sizeable sum from certain domestic US agencies to refute the growing evidence of election fraud and another stolen presidential election.

Your refutation of RFK Jr.'s article is laughable.

I ask the editors of Salon to keep in mind that written attacks on authors such as RJK Jr, Mark Crispin Miller and Bob Fritakis is really highly unprofessional and does a great disservice.

Basically authors like Farhad Manjoo parry the corporate media argument that election fraud never happened and that the dems should just "get over it."

Well Mr. Far Right Farhad Manjoo and other MSM parrots:

Kerry Won, Now Get Over It.

Pick up a copy of Greg Palast's new book, "Armed Madhouse" of which one of the chapters is entitled "Kerry won".

this country is fast becoming a police state where citizens no longer have ANY civil liberties and liberals get rounded up in the middle of the night and bused off to so called "detention camps."

shame on you Mr. paid off far right extremist Farhad Manjoo, shame on you Salon.com.

regards,

anon

that the two parties are really one and the same, both controlled by wealthy internationalists? (Look up the CFR sometime)

certainly, you can see more clearly that in this case, Kennedy would be making a play to be part of that internationalist cabal by promulgating warmed over, proven false pap that would help to cement Bush's fraudulent 2004 'election' in Ohio.

You signed your name 'anon', but the sneaky right-wing Salon jackbooted Junta somehow included still your name.

They're coming to bus you away to the detention camps right now.

Run, I say, run... they're coming to take your civil liberties away.

Farhad Manjoo is Salon's equivalent of NYT's Elisabeth Bumiller, not smart enough to see that they are being taken by the bushies, but still arrogant enough to deny the possibility. Manjoo has an agenda folks, just like NYT, and if you think its pro-democracy, then you are the ones being taken!

Why does Salon.com provide a forum for such poorly investigated Bush apologist crap as comes from Farhad Manjoo? His article insults the intelligence of anyone who has thoroughly reviewed the facts of Ohio's flawed election in 2004.

Are you attempting to follow Slate.com into the abyss of faux legitimacy as you attempt to appease your small number of wingnut readers?

Hard to take Salon seriously after reading this garbage.

-Steve

Why has no reputable scientific journal published Mitofsky's (and Election Science Institute's) bogus red shift/swing Ohio exit poll analysis? Why has no reputable scientific journal has published any of Liddle or Lindeman's "distort and analyze" "exit poll response bias measures"?

The answer is contained in the question: the word reputable. Such journals don't publish half-baked conspiracy theories.

This is the first article he's posted in ages where every 10th post in the Letters to the Ed. aren't one of his alternately correcting a mistake or defending his right to make them. Pethaps he's finally learned.

Perhaps Salon's editors told his to stay away.

The Democratic Underground site has received permission to post Bob Fitrakis's reply to Manjoo's ill-considered assessment of Bobby Kennedy's Rolling Stone article asserting that the 2004 presidential election was stolen. Fitrakis demolishes Manjoo's inaccurate conclusions about the Ohio voting anomalies.

Manjoo's argument also relies on the same discredited statistical studies Majoo hauled out earlier to attack Justin Crispin Miller's book.

Salon owes its readers a serious review of Bobby Kennedy's article.

So many people are arguing over this article and many who are against it seem to not understand a simple fact.

There were errors in the Ohio election, but fixing all these errors would have still equalled a Bush victory in the state.

Imagine a Basketball game where there were 20 fouls on scored basktes that were not called, then imagine one team winning by 18 points. Now add in tons of people arguing that the losing team actually won because there were more uncalled fouls than the margin of victory. Of course, nothing stated means the winning team didn't get all the non calls, or that the losing team would have made better than 18 out of 20 baskets even if they should have shot the free throws.

Add to this the losing team only averaging 48% of free throws.

That's what some people are doing. You are trying to say an election was stolen based on very faulty logic.

Ohio was rife with errors, but every election has the same errors. If you only started paying attention to how elections work and exit polls in 2000 you have a distorted view. Every election I've ever followed has these errors and I've been involved in elections since before I could vote. Only twice has I personally seen the errors change the outcome of a race, one was Florida in 2000 where the ballot confusion certainly gave the State to Bush.

Ohio in 2004 does not fall into this case. I have no interest in defending a Bush victory, because I worked against him in both his national elections, but trying to argue that the election in Ohio was stolen falls into the wacky column and it detracts from 2008.

Already you have people in this thread saying they don't think the Dems will win in 2008 because Bush will steal the election as was done in 2004. That kind of defeatist attitude must be challenged.

The Democratic Underground site has received permission to post Bob Fitrakis's reply ...

If you're pinning your hopes on this "reply," you're in for even more disappointment. The reply is pathetic. For example, he makes a big deal that Manjoo messed up the title of one of the people cited: Fitrakis writes, "Manjoo actually, in a major error, refers to Damschroder, as the Chair of the Election Board. ..." Oh, sorry, he was actually the director, not the chairman. (And for all you grammatically challenged folks, a "chair" is a piece of furniture. People who oversee things are "chair men.")

Yeah, that's a smoking gun if I ever saw one.

Fitrakis also writes, "Manjoo’s claim that the missing voting machines did not impact the African American communities is bizarre and laughable."

The only thing bizarre and laughable is that Manjoo never makes this claim. He does state, however, that it was due to an innocent error of allocating the machines too early in the process--months before the election, before the surge in voter registration closer to the election date.

If this is the best "rebuttal" you can come up with, Manjoo should sleep pretty well tonight.