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Friday, January 20, 2006 12:00 AM

Fear of spying

Democratic strategists say opposing Bush on NSA spying makes the party look weak. Of course, that's what they said about Iraq.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 06:08 PM

Enough already

Time and again, the Democrats forget that it is much easier to explain to the public a good decision than to justify a bad one. Drop the strategists, ditch the polls, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and just do the right thing.

No doubt, these strategists are the same idiots that muscled Hackett out before the public could voice an opinion. We're the voters-let us decide.

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 12:47 AM

The fat lady is singing......

The Democratic Party has become the Whig Party. Save yourself.

Monday, January 23, 2006 06:52 PM

Don't fear "looking weak", fear being weak!

If the 2008 Democratic candidate follows the "advice" of the strategists who are afraid to challenge Bush's illegal spying program, he/she better hope to get a majority of the Republican vote, because they'll lose a majority of the Democratic vote.

It's high time the Democrats stood for something (other than "feel good" bromides). And if they can't defend our Constitution and our liberties, then what use are they?

I say this as a long-time Democrat, who has voted for every Democratic candidate since I was old enough to vote (yes, even McGovern, though I held my nose while doing so). But if these strategists have their way, 2008 may be the year I finally break that record.

Monday, January 23, 2006 01:11 PM

fear of spying

mericans, whether the "suspect" Americias include a Nixionlike enemeys list of those that loyally oppose the Bush policies in Iraq and the war on terrior. The administration if they could demonstrate to Congess that addition authority was needed could have asked for these changes in FICA or the Patriot Act. Bush claims this is targeted and resticted survelances but no judge or other nonpartisan expert can assure us this is true. Bush has redefined torture to justfy his sanctioning of torture and used his Justic Dept to support his policy. He is doing the same thing to justfy this violation of the Constitution and FICA. FICA was passed to prevent abuse of the President, specifically Nixion. Bush is more partisan than Nixion.Is moveon.com or the DNC on the survellance list.

Monday, January 23, 2006 03:05 AM

What the polls say, and what they don't

One of the biggest concerns I have about the most recent scandel is, unsurprisingly, how it's being handled by the press. In particular, note the lack of scrutiny given to the fact that in the handful of polls conducted on the subject, all that is asked is, 'how important is "Government surveillance of U.S. citizens"?' (CNN/USA Today), or "In investigating terrorism, do you think federal agencies are or are not intruding on some Americans' privacy rights?" (ABC/Washington Post), to which approximately 1/3 indicate that they are concerned about government's intrusion on individual rights, and a somewhat larger fraction say that the level is about right.

What these polls neglect to do is verify that people actually know what's going on. I would be very interested in a 'push-poll' question along the lines of,"As you may have heard, President Bush has admitted to allowing the NSA to tap the phonelines of American Citizens without a warrant. This is violation of US law. If true, do you think the president should be impeached?" Or, if this goes too far (and I suspect most pollsters wouldn't run it), something along the lines of informing the poll subjects while they ask the question.

Contrast this to the Abromoff polls which clearly state at the beginning: "As you may know, Jack Abramoff recently pleaded guilty to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials in a deal that requires him to provide evidence about members of Congress..." (Diago/Hotline).

Until we can be sure that news outlets are doing their job and actually informing the public, how can we be sure what the public would really think?

Sincerely,

Dave Goldberg

Sunday, January 22, 2006 06:38 AM

Pure cowardice

So-called Democratic "strategists" and "consultants" have one thing in common with people like letter writer Carl Strating. They are snivelling, cowardly, gutless, weak kneed milksops. No wonder why they lose. No wonder why they are afraid.

"I'd rather live with some of my civil liberties slightly curtailed than die with all of them intact" is not only craven, weak and and foolish it is deeply, profoundly wrong, both as philosophy and strategy. More importantly, it is deeply, profoundly un-American, and runs counter to the greatest tenets and most fundamental beliefs of our country.

"Is life so sweet or peace so dear as to be purchased at the cost of chains and slavery? I know not what others may choose, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death." - Patrick Henry.

"Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benj. Franklin

Now, THAT'S American!

Saturday, January 21, 2006 01:11 PM

Fear of spying

To NOT oppose Bush on NSA spying is what would cause the Democrats to look weak! Democrats need to speak up each and every time Bush and his cohorts do something outrageous(like violating our privacy- wiretapping is one example; remember Terri Schiavo?) If we don't show our anger over each infraction God only KNOWS where the Bill of Rights is headed! We will be papering our walls with the Constitution for all that it will matter. If you are a fan of Rush Limbaugh (horrors) then you are familiar with his argument that his medical info is private. Well, when we all signed the "Privacy" agreement at the doctor's office we GAVE UP our right to privacy; we were NOT protecting it. It's in the fine print- that signature of yours gave the government the right to all your medical records, and it also gave the right to see your records to banks, credit card companies and nearly everyone who wants to look. The speech by Al Gore should be required viewing for all citizens.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:21 PM

NOTHING ELSE IS AS IMPORTANT! (NSA/FBI/Pentagon eavesdropping scandals)

All who care for the future of the U.S.A must put this front and foremost - the implications of this scandal DEFINE EVERY OTHER ISSUE! The justifications Bush uses to break FISA law set him up to be above All U.S and world law.

Every citizen (Congressperson AND constituent) must use every legal method, parliamentary procedure/tactic to stop traffic, manage the debate, sidestep the distractions, and stop all pretense at "business as usual".

Close all congressional activity down to focus on the NSA and related SCANDALS! This constitutional crisis is foundational and dealing with it prerequisite to everything else. Nothing else should matter - for example proceeding with any aspect of the Alito confirmation is akin to judge shopping for the administration.

Endless debates about words people use, beached whales, and all the other pathetic MSM distraction burns up our time.

WE ALL HAVE TO TREAT THE NSA DEAL AS THE SHOW STOPPING, FIST POUNDING, TRAFFIC JAMMING SCANDAL THAT IT IS!!! Damn it anyway...

poll at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/21/112440/485

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