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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
>Whatever Sharon is, monster or hero, at least when he went out to fight, he wore a uniform.
Does wearing a uniform justify massacring a village?
>Funny thing about Palestinian terrorists, Hamas sheep and other Islamic thugs: when they fight, they don't go out in uniforms. They get their children to throw rocks and Molotovs in their school clothes....
>I just don't buy that all the "innocent civilians" and "helpless women and children" supposedly slaughtered by Sharon or any other Israeli commander were innocent. This is an ancient terrorist trick -- taught to the rest of the world by Arabs and Palestinians -- striking under the cover of peasant's garb, and later mugging for sympathy on Al Jazeera after they've had their asses most deservedly kicked.
Egyptian POW's were in uniform. They were murdered. How do you justify that.
In 1953, inside the borders of Jordan, 69 people were murdered in the massacre of a village. Half of them were women and children. Are you okay with that?
The victims in Sabra and Shattillah were noncombatants. The military or paramilitary wing, the Palestinian Fedayeen had left the country. The people left behind *really were* noncombatants, really were women and children. How do you justify that?
You take a fairly complex and tragic situation on both sides, and in my view, you simplify it to reduce Palestinians to subhuman moral degenerates. I think the situation is not so clear as you believe. On the other hand, I'm unwilling to get into the big issue.
The issue is really only Sharon. Did he murder innocent people? Did he commit atrocities?
If you think its okay to simply wipe out a village or enable the slaughter of refugee camps, feel free to come right out and say it.
Mr. Valdron research was a fairly faithful attempt to debunk my "explosive" views.
Several problems persist:
1) The first piece he quoted, "The Case Against Ariel Sharon" (http://www.coastalpost.com/02/05/06.htm), was almost certainly written by a completely biased Palestinian supporter whose blatant disregard for history and complete and total lack of supporting bibliographic material to justify his outrageous claims nullifies the text.
2) The article from the J (http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/1709/edition_id/27/format/html/displaystory.html)
is also quoted out of context. The "he" referrent in the quote Den included in his piece was not Ariel Sharon. It was the retired general who decided to liquidate his prisoners because he couldn't guard them. Whatever the moral implications of this decision, it wasn't Ariel Sharon's. All you had to do was read the piece to understand.
3) I'm not going to argue the points raised about Lebanon. The General made a mistake. He didn't pull the trigger. He didn't drop the bombs. But he was complacent while others died. Having said that, it's not Israel's job to protect
the Arabs living in the refugee camps. Their fellow Arabs left them there to rot and many of the terrorists who've joined the ranks of Hezbollah and Hamas come from those camps. Those people, like all other refugees on the planet, should have been resettled.
And finally, these tirades against Sharon are all about Israel. Sharon was a general defending a tiny nation in their homeland beseiged on all sides by people who, even now, call for its destruction. The same people who decry how horrible and despicable Sharon was seem to be eerily quiet about Arafat, Abu Mazen, the leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the many, many others. Arafat was a cold-blooded murderer. Not a General in a uniform fighting wars but a cold-blooded criminal murderer. Mr. Valdron saves his anger for the Jewish general and not self-proclaimed murderers and says he's not anti-Israel. Maybe someday he'll look in the mirror and see a more true reflection.
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