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In the short run...I will donate money to Senator Lieberman's primary opponent, if there is

one. If he ends up running anyway, I will give money to either Weicker, or the Republican Opponent, or Both. Lieberman needs to be purged

from the party, for reasons already laid out.

I suspect the "percieved toughness" factor is

more important to middle americans than the "percieved moderate" factor. Back when Kerry

was fastidiously declining to get effective realtime revenge on Nixon's Swifty Boaters, normal

ordinary people at my place of work told me they

were losing interest in Kerry because of it. Here

are the words I suggested to them to describe their unease, and they said these words captured

their thinking. Ready? Here goes...If Kerry wasn't tough enough to destroy his domestic enemies here at home, he wasn't tough enough to

destroy America's enemies overseas. Scratch Kerry.

That principle applies here: if the Democrats

are not tough enough to destroy traitors and enemies within their own ranks, they are not tough

enough to destroy the Social Class Enemy Party

here at home , and they are not tough enough to destroy America's national enemies abroad. A wimpy moderate party will attract no

radical centrist votes.

In the longest run, a new Political Party might

be a good thing. Has anyone been thinking about

The Legal Freedom Party? Fighting for the Four

New Freedoms:

#1: Freedom of Hate Speech.

#2: Freedom of Personal Guns.

#3: Freedom of Recreational Drugs.

#4: Freedom of Driving While Black.

The Legal Freedom Party might also genuinely support restoring legitimate election systems to

states like Ohio, Florida, and others which currently have no such thing.

The Legal Freedom Party might also state the principle: The Corporation has no rights which

a Natural Person is bound to respect. And promise

to pack and stack the Courts with people who support that principle. Bring Lower Class Resistance against Upper Class Aggression to the

Bench.

Of course neither Liberals nor Moderates would

join such a party. But Radical Centrists just might.

Gee, thanks nancerich. Just when I was starting to feel better about myself. Sob.

:)

Moderate Democrats with a real-life appreciation of military issues definitely need to be part of the Democratic Party. They provide the type of practical perspective that balances out against more leftish Democrats' over-optimistic visions. That's why I'd like to see Paul Hackett secure the Democratic senatorial nomination in Ohio.

My trouble with Joseph Lieberman is that his desire to look out for the national interest has blinded him to the deadly incompetence of the Bush administration and the current power structure. I have seen insufficient proof that the GOP-controlled US government has moved away from an attitude that "bipartisan cooperation is date rape." The GOP generally remains dedicated to the untrammeled exercise of power for their corporate supporters, and damn the national interest. Lieberman's public apologies for Bush and his ilk remind me of a physically abused wife who's willing to rationalize her bruises as a clumsy fall down the stairs in order to keep her family together.

please do an article on Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA). She's another DINO (Democrat In Name Only).

As some other readers have observed, Michelle Goldberg seems to be affected by Neo-con sympathies and other anti-Progressive biases. Maybe like Bob Woodward, she's currying favor with new sources for her next book. Please don’t let her be a Judy Miller in your midst and keep her away from political stories. I spend money to subscribe to Salon because I trust your integrity, but when I see somebody reaching down and bending over backward to make a tortured case that attacking Joe Leiberman of all people might alienate moderates, I’m the one left feeling alienated--from you.

whoever Joan Walsh hired to star the letters on Salon is an idiot.

Why do so many on the left hate Joe Lieberman? Well, speaking from my own experince, many people I know, democrats and "liberals" in general, many blame Lieberman, at least in part, for costing Gore the 2000 election.

Personally, I think he cost Gore more votes than Nader did. In fact, Gore' wife, Tipper, he history with the PMRC, and Liebermans religious right style attacks on movies, music, videogames, etc. not only caused a lot of young people to vote for Nader, but it was why I, personally, encouraaged everyone I knew to vote for Nader instead of Gore in 2000. And to my knowledge, many did. I wasn't the only one. Jello Biafra, in his spoken word albums and shows, also opposed Gore for much the same reason. He critcized Gore and the Democrats for a number of valid reasons, but Lieberman was the reason that stood above all others, it seemed.

I've often wondered why Lieberman and Zell Miller are still Democrats. As others point out, neither one seems to agree, or have ever agreed, with anything their party says or does, or has ever said or done. I've known only one person in my life to like Lieberman, and he was not the brightest bulb on the shelf.

Lieberman does not only trouble free speech advocates. He has, for a long time, been a concern of seperation of church and state advocates as well. He has called for more religion in public life and prayer in schools, and so on.

No, liberals do no hate Lieberman out of some misguided reason thats based solely on him being "moderate". They hate him because he has consistently supported and proposed ideas that belong in the GOP rather than the Democratic party.