Fact is we fear additional damage of the bigoted masses treating us with the same open hatred and assaults of the Trans community that those Transsexual are subjected too.

So is there fear. Yes. And you Zoe Brain and others like you are not helping anyone within the Intersexed community.

Fact remains that a Intersexed person who chooses to reject their surgically assigned gender faces far more difficulties then a trans man or trans women will ever have faced.

ISNA no longer exists. you can find some information at accordalliance.org they do have a good downloadable parents handbook. But also becarefull. Very few intersexed people like the Accord Alliance. They do promote the openness and sharing of medical histories, but they also are the orchestrators of the DSD terminology that most Intersexed people can't stand.

Again, Intersex has nothing to do with Transexuality.

Intersex Activists are fighing for Intersexed Rights not Transexual Rights. DO not assume that Intersex and Transsexuality are the same thing.

Posted by miriam from Bodieslikeours

But that totally ignores what intersex is about. TS sucks and IS sucks, but they are not the same. People with an intersex condition have different needs. First of all, many people with an intersex condition don't have gender issues and including TS in IS would make it even more difficult for those people to explain their condition to other people. And second, the shame and secrecy that surrounded intersex conditions may seem no big deal to the problems many TS-people have to face. But we should never say our kind of suffering is worse than another kind of suffering.

So please, dear men and women with a history of TS, don't hijack intersex. Give us the chance to change our situation without having to fight with people who may think IS is easier to explain to other people than TS.

me again: The Intersex rights movement needs no blurring of terminology or treatment. We have never needed to follow Transsexual Standards of Care, we have our own, and we are all-ready fighting for our rights over our bodies and do not want any of you making it harder for any of us to be who we are.

S10. The Neurobiological Evidence for Transgenderism

1. Brain Gender Identity Prof. Sidney W. Ecker, M.D.

2. Transsexuality as an Intersex Condition Prof Milton Diamond, Ph.D.

3. Novel Approaches to Endocrine Treatment of Transgender Adolescents and Adults Norman Spack, M.D.

Now it may well be that it's better in a practical sense to separate (mainly) Neurological Intersex conditions from other Intersex conditions. But biologically speaking, one is a subset of the other.

There are also Intersex conditions such as 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency (5alpha-RD-2) and 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency (17beta-HSD-3) which cause all infants to look (somewhat, mostly, or completely) female at birth, but the genetic males change to look (somewhat, mostly or completely) male by the time they’re 25.

They have a "natural sex change", and face all the challenges that Transsexual people do, plus those of being Intersexed.

Since I have a similar syndrome, perhaps I put too much emphasis on the similarities, and not enough on the differences. I've had no difficulties though working with the Australian Human Rights commission on both IS and TS issues. There is considerable overlap, especially considering that many people deemed "TS" were actually Intersexed babies surgically assigned to an inappropriate gender.

not all 5 Ard or 17B type 3 change natural to males.

I so hate it when people make assumptions, facts are some do change how they chose to live due to natural hormone changes during puberty. Some also stay as girls, and marry as women. And I am so very tired of seeing people keep posting the same crap information about 5-Ard and 17Bhsd because not all of them do change their gender from that of girls. It is common for many to change to men, when puberty comes, but again. Many Also are happy as women.

I have watched the same documentaries you have, I have also been studying the same conditions you have, but for far far longer then you. You Zoe Brain love to repeat the information that supports your opinion on Intersex Brain developement which other research scientists have allready discounted as changes due directly to HRT that is hormone therapy causes brain mass changes to that of the desired sex of the patient, because of HRT that they take. Those studies directly contradict what you keep putting out as current information. The studies you post are older and poorly designed as they do not reference pre-HRT trans patients except for the one Elderly Male, which by itself contradicts/discredits their own study.

Now I am all for acceptance of trans men and women. Fact is I think many are stunningly beautiful attractive people. But I am getting real tired of seeing you continue to post the same information and then ignore just how inaccurate your claims are.

You used to post on many of the same Intersex support forums that I do. and now your gone, because you know as well as I know that what you push as accurate is a whole lot of nonsense that none within the Intersex Community wishes because we allready know exactly what is going tohappen if people like you keep pushing that Transsexuality is a subset of Intersexuality.

All intersex people will end up getting treated using Transsexuality standards of care and we have allready been fighting for our own rights over our own bodies that we were supposed to have allready gotten by the medical community, which turns out that once they assigned us a sex, through the use of surgery they forgot about and said , GOOD ENOUGH, NOW GO WE WANT NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOU, IF YOUR LIFE IS SCREWED IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT WE CUT YOU UP TO PIECES AND LEFT YOU TO ROT IN A BODY YOU WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE.

Now grow up and quit trying to push that Intersex has anything to do with Transsexuality.

We are intersexed, and apparently you are an Intersexed Wannabe. Which Is why you are not welcome in Intersexed Support Forums. Your views counter our own views and are detrimental to the Entire Intersexed Community.