It was the feminist movement that made the public aware of the level of rape in our culture. It was feminist Brownmiller's book Against Our Will than made people aware of rape world wide and especially rape in war. It was feminist Diana Russell who put together a study of the incidence of incest in the lives of girls that has never been refuted by any subsequent study. It was feminist Andrea Dworkin, who told what it was like to be a prostitute and to be constantly subjected to rape.

I hope women everywhere remember and honor what feminists have done for them and for children. WE OWE SECOND WAVE FEMINISTS.

It is even feminists who have been in the forefront of issues like the molestation of boys and the rapes of men in prison.

Every man who has ever been incested, molested, or rape needs to understand that it was feminists who made the public aware of this.

It was feminists in the antiwar movements of the sixties who opposed the all male draft.

Feminists did that.

All along, feminists have been working for a more just world for everyone -- and having to deal with men who have bought the Rush Limbaugh Kool-aide about feminazis.

Men should know and they should stop lying about feminism.

Suddenly the site was invaded by pedophiles. There were about five of them -- self-professed pedophiles -- who claimed various things, such as

Looking at child porn cause no harm to children

Children actually wanted sex with adults

Girls of about 12 need sexual initiation by adult men

But (most of all!) they would never hurt a child. Sex with children was love and not hurt.

Naturally, I fought these ideas and the discussion got quite heated.

So because you were witness to remarkably extreme and rare cases such as these asshole criminals (who SHOULD be in jail for even uttering such thoughts), that therefore ALL men are like this?!?

Instead, they have played the game of putting women on the defensive for even getting dressed. Almost nothing we wear is acceptable. They have continually ignored the argument that women if women wanted a body part to be photographed/shown, she wouldn't cover it with clothes.

Those of you who have defended upskirters should instead by explaining why you have defended these creeps, these pervs. What is WRONG with YOU?

stop acting like one by defending actual criminals.

AKA is right--the real charge scum get out of upskirting is that they get to take from women what they can't ask for...and congratulate themselves for being smarter than those "bitches."

While there might be a few bad apples who cannot get a woman, my bet is that many of the men who engage in this just consider it a harmless stunt, not unlike dodging cars, or some other risky stupid activity. Many of these men probably have a willing, waiting girlfriend, for that matter.

Your charges ring false. For one thing, most men do not consider women "bitches" actually being quite reverent toward the opposite sex. For proof of this, one only need read Norah Vincent's incredible book where she infiltrated men's domains and was astounded at the reverence with which men spoke about their wives and women in general, completely at odds with the cynical bullshit belief system women continue to cling to that all men are just some sort of simmering pile of barely contained rage of hatred against women.

Really, you women YOURSELVES must be like that deep down inside with regard to MEN, because otherwise you would not be able to conceive the concept that you somehow think men have this rage inside them against women.

Let's expand on this, shall we? This attitude women think men have against women is ultimately a telling example of how women project their own hatred against men by assuming men have the same hatred against women when it just ain't so.

Think about it from a logical standpoint. Most men are stronger than most women. Men form clubs and cliques and organizations. If men really gave a flip about women in terms of somehow hating women and wanting to harm them, the numbers of women being 'disappeared' would literally fill cities and states in terms of sheer numbers. Men just largely lack the capability to be enraged against women, unlike the rage and hatred against men that seems to, apparently, consume women.

Juarez

If it IS a crime, then if a woman flashes me DELIBERATELY, then she is an ACCESSORY to a crime, partly based on the presumption that she thinks I somehow WANTED to be flashed.

so you just do not want to go there.

I do consider it rude though, but no more rude than a woman at work touching my arm muscle to see how big it is because it impresses her or turns her on.

In both cases, these are violations of a person's boundaries.

but somehow, hero feminism ONLY bothers to persecute AGAINST Men.

And NO, token platitudes uttered by feminists that feminism somehow helps men is only a ploy to get people off feminism's case. It does not fly.

It was feminist Andrea Dworkin, who told what it was like to be a prostitute and to be constantly subjected to rape.

OK, now I get it. I did not realize Dorkin DELIBERATELY and repeatedly put herself in harm's way and then whined about it.

From now on, I will go out of my way to get women to slap or somehow harm me, then whine on here about how EVIL all women are.

God, you feminists have an endless pool of jokey back story, don't you? Just when you think you've heard it all...

One day I was walking down the street. Mid afternoon. Just to make sure people know I wasn't 'asking for it' by dressing provocatively, or was taunting men because I looked a certain way: I wear loose clothes, I was wearing a tshirt. I was wearing a bra. I don't have big ole boobies.

Someone decided to run up, grab one of my breasts, twist it, then run off as fast as he could.

I supposed I should have just enjoyed the attention from an "admiring" man?

There was NOTHING provocative or inviting about me. I supposed I was "asking for it" by walking down the street?

The man that did that is just the kind of man who would shove a camera up between a womans legs to get a panty shot.

You people who are defending this behaviour are part of the problem.

You should keep in mind that most women have some story to tell about men crossing boundaries and it being sexually based. You should really think about that when you look at the women and girls in your family who you are protective about. They will be lucky indeed if they get through life without some asshole violating them in some way.

Men? Discipline your own.