Mine were purity white. ;-)

Yup, that's true. I do. I am a very fast typist. And Salon is often a great way of alleviating boredom. And the controversial topics are the most fun of all.

I'd like you to show me where I've actually _advocated_ anybody upskirting anybody. I have said I think it should be dealt with as a social issue-- as a question of manners-- but where have I actually advocated upskirting anybody-- and by "upskirting" I mean the same thing that everyone else has talked about here-- sticking a camera in a woman's crotch and taken a picture?

Be careful when you get in the heat of conversation that you make the correct points. Just because someone doesn't agree with you to the extent that everything they say is a carbon copy of what you say doesn't mean they are against you either. People can have differences and still be more or less aligned.

On the other hand if you wear clothing that will reveal your underwear or private parts, that's YOUR problem. There is a way to solve it. An easy one and one that works for a full FIFTY PERCENT of the human population. I'm sorry that you don't LIKE it, but that's not MY fault either.

You (and a number of others here) think you have the corner on morality and ethics. And yet over and over I see you attack other people who attempt to make different points.

get out more, if pervs like you weren't dead yet. I'm not a young hot thing, but I was a girl pestered at church, at McDonalds, pretty much anywhere at a time in my life I really really did not need that. I thank you, for defending the grisly and the stubborn, I thank you for being the creepy dude who ruined my good time, or made me uncomfortable in the house of God, or made me or any other girl in this world uncomfortable, or ashamed. You should be ashamed to be on the other side of this discussion. Send me a note when you curl up and, oops did that hurt? You don't like being hurt? Try having an old dude touch your butt while you are praying in church. Think that doesn't hurt? You don't even know hurt. When pervs die, then I'll wear a skirt again, cause I got hot legs and can't show 'em off becuase of people like you who defend pervs and thus, become pervs.

Is this type of activity creepy? Yes. Are the guys who do it jerks? Of course. Still, I can't help but feel that there is some overreaction going on here:

"I had to have my fiancé for about a whole year walk me in and out of our house," she said. "I have had a loaded gun next to my bed ever since. I constantly think someone is following me."

Really? One guy wanted to see your knickers and it turned you into a paranoid, fear based person? On the hierarchy of violation I think that an upskirt pic is at the very low end. I would feel far more violated if my house was robbed or someone took my wallet. Am I wrong here?

Your posts have been about revenge. You even capitalized "YOU INFLICT PAIN" as if that were a good thing. It might be a necessary thing, but I urge you not to revel in it. People who get to survive are those who preserve their lucidity. Beserkers aren't known for their lucidity.

As far as being sorry where I've lived, please don't be. I've lived a life of social justice. There aren't a lot of job openings for social justice workers in gated communities. Be glad that there are people like me with the wherewithal to navigate and survive dangerous circumstances.

As far as the likelihood of upskirt photographers becoming rapists, according to the following study, 37% of peeping toms become rapists: http://books.google.com/books?id=tzXgEZfROm4C&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=correlation+peeping+toms+and+rapists&source=bl&ots=9MTg8yXRGl&sig=ia9WFZxo2sEmnEh7mH5kY40W35Y&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

In summation, run.

So you've given up all pretense of a point now and just resorted to complete venom.

Okay-- no problem. You're actually quite amusing when you foam at the mouth like that. By all means carry on and don't let me stop you.

I certainly agree it beats fighting boredom (though, since you're such a good family man, you don't have that much boredom to kill, do you?)

Your only argument is that women could wear pants. All your posts boil down to this (and to the idea that upskirt is just impolite).

You didn't address any of the points I raised. Oh well. Such is life.

Let me then put it this way. Suppose upskirts are not illegal (which is what I think your argument boils down to: that they shouldn't be), but that women kick the guy's balls who did it. Which side do you think would be right--the upskirter, or the ball-kicking woman?

You (and a number of others here) think you have the corner on morality and ethics. And yet over and over I see you attack other people who attempt to make different points.

I don't see much discussion from your side either, buddy. Just a lot of declarative statements, one claim after another, without much care as to whether (a) these statements are representative at all (stats?) (b) what the evidence is (anecdotal experience? I've had some myself that go against yours...)

...but there ARE legal technicalities involved in publishing or selling photos of people. In a nutshell, usually you have to get written permission or else the photo has to be accompanied by written content (i.e. newspaper or magazine photos).

It's not really an issue 99.99% of the time, and the burden of proof is on the person photographed (to prove that it was them and that they did not consent to be photographed). The reason for this is because modeling is considered legitimate work, and by selling or publishing photos of people without their permission, you are unfairly profiting off of their labor.

(I work for a professional photographer who specializes in street scenes, and he's very careful about covering his ass on this.)