So, your experience with fighting was being grabbed about by a padded man whose primary job was to care for you? I understand your conclusion now that you'll be able to pummel an attacker.

Try this. Hire some guy to repeatedly punch you in face. Note how your priorities will immediately change, from payback to surviving. Pick a fight in the street and you'll reach the same conclusion even faster than it takes your nose cartilage to snap, for the pervert might be carrying a knife-carrying rapist.

As far as the smiling crowd, again, I wonder if you realize how many people will get a kick out of you kicking a guy. People are bored and welcome breaks in their routines. I'm a person who's intervened in various situations and in EVERY SINGLE ONE, it was just me. I was the calvary. Just me. And if I intervened on your behalf, I'd urge you to run. I've been hit, pinned, kicked and tossed enough times to know how much men can hurt you and me.

If your F.B.I. instructor taught you to stay and dispense justice, he should be fired. You inflict pain to get away. To run. And to grateful you got to run. Everything other imagined outcome is likely to be fantasy and likely fatal fantasy.

Less binding when you kick an upskirter in the nuts!

If you say so. I don't know of a single woman, and I know lots of different types, who would rather ralph than let an old dude see the goods. Maybe it's bus-folk that like that sort of stuff, but believe me when I say this, I think something's wrong with you. Delusional dude.

B'star: men remain playful and creative and women become harsh and negative as they get older.

I suppose your sparkling prose is an example of the latter? Oops... :^)

It seems if women cannot control and commodify every aspect of their lives, monetize everything, they feel something is amiss.

But weren't you telling everybody in the Ashley Dupré thread that you aren't against the commodification of sex? Are you having second thoughts? :^)

That, and they hate being female, with all the sexual high and lows that that entails. I only think of the Italian women who brush leering men off and give it no more thought.

Oh, you're complaining about 'Muricans, not Women! I see. You just use the word 'women' by mistake. OK, I forgive you. Now, if I could get you to meet a few of those Italian babes who would cut off your balls if you tried to approach them...

(DISCLAIMER: I'm trying to imitate your style now. Hope it succeeds...)

Now this is something I actually believe about Mr. E.

He's at home most of the time looking at upskirt photos on his computer or harassing women on Salon about what they wear.

Newsflash, pervs! It's none of your damned business what individual women choose to wear. Women should not have to alter their clothing one bit to be free of upskirters and street harassers.

THE LAWS IS ACTUALLY ON OUR SIDE. WE ARE WINNING. YOU ARE LOSING, PERVS.

IT IS YOU WHO WILL BE MARGINALIZED.

I don't care WHY you wear skirts, dresses or anything else. If its easier for you to do stuff- great. But understand you are making a tradeoff. There was a time when male clothing was different too. But in time it changed and evolved to meet the current needs. Needs change. Sometimes you have to give up one convenient thing to get another. Not my problem. I wear pants. You could wear pants if you want too.

If I wore a skirt, I would be vulnerable to upskirting just like you. I just wouldn't complain so much about it and try to make it out to be everybody else's problem.

As far as me upskirting-- we've gotten to that part of the conversation where you apparently have run out of points to make and are relegated to merely attacking the messenger.

Women, apparently, are the chief culprits in drowning children in the bathtub. How many children have you murdered today AKA Smith?

While its true that I'm getting to be an old fart now as well as travel in different circles, I have certainly had my share of women (in public or near-public) showing me their undershorts "accidently on-purpose". And I'm not Mr Adonis by any stretch of the imagination.

Some people do stupid things. Some women may even like that. It doesn't follow that all do. Hell, some men like to lick the street dirt off women's boots--you'll see fetish sites dedicated to that. Should you? Of course not. So if some lady showed you her privates, say 'thank you' but don't expect that from the next lady.

Also, note that you said you travel in different circles. Might this have something to do with that?

Perhaps YOU don't show off your panties, but there are lots of women who do. I don't know why. I don't really even care why. As a matter of fact, until this particular conversation came up today, I didn't even really care much period-- sometimes it happens, I get a little thrill and life goes on.

I'm sure you don't dig statistics, but I'll bet the total is less than 1% of the women. I'll even bet it's less than 1% of the women you see every day. So? Some people like to eat shit. Again, should you, too? So if a woman wanted to show you her panties, it doesn't follow that all want to, and that those who don't want cannot complain if you try to take a picture.

I mean, hallo? Don't you get the idea? If the woman likes it and does it on purpose, great. If she doesn't, then she doesn't.

For someone who doesn't care, you sure write a lot.

Looks like you're right there with AKA Smith, running out of ammo so you resort to attacking the messenger.

I haven't always been an old dude. So you're doing some more personal projection there.

Finally I can't recall the last time I rode a bus. They stink.

And you still need to get out more. That's not a put down, just an observation.