Women talk all the time to other women about specific men they know. THE MOST INTIMATE DETAILS are expressed.

These men do not want to be talked about. Their right to privacy is being SEVERELY violated, in a much more intimate manner than any anonymous crotch shots.

Should we outlaw all gossip? Should these women be punched and thrown in jail?

This sort of FEMALE behavior, which is nearly universal, is MUCH worse than anonymous male behavior where nobody even knows who the person behind the crotch in the camera is.

Like I say, if women were held to the same standards as men, the jails would be equally filled with men and women.

As to stopping men from getting turned on by females, good luck with that.

If upskirts are against the law and the guy does not want the risk, he can go to a beach or look at magazines. Heck, foot fetishists have it great with all the flip flops around.

You are one of the few men here at Salon to ever "get" the female objection to the male "gaze."

It's that men do not give a flip about it.

If mere looking upsets you women, I dare say the problem is YOU, not the men.

Just to clear this up, the slit in a skirt was not created to make it more revealing. That is a byproduct. The slit allows a person to walk in the skirt. Try walking in a poorly designed pencil skirt sometime, with no slit.

Oh, please. I've been to enough parties and events in Manhattan to know what I am talking about.

Is that your argument, MR E?

Taking a picture is not the same as looking. And up my skirt IS a private place, so I've been told since I was a child. Are you trying to say that if a woman wears a skirt she is inviting people to look at her underwear? That is not true.

Making pornography is not the same as taking lewd pictures of unsuspecting strangers. You're comparing upskirting to hieroglyphics. I think you should re-read the article and take note of exactly what the author and the other posters are objecting to here.

And the tree falling in the woods argument? I'm not sure why this is even relevant. The tree falling is not in question, only whether or not it makes a sound if no one notices. The act was committed. Was any harm done if the woman doesn't notice? What does that matter? We still need to formally reprimand those who do get caught.

Anyway, the idea that laws wouldn't be created against this, in the United States of America, the land of Superbowl Nipplegate, is ludicrous. It will happen. The websites will be outlawed. The end.

I'd suggest inserting two large knitting needles

Into the eye sockets

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Me Like.

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I've been reminded of a song...

Scotsman’s Kilt

Traditional

Now a Scotsman clad in kilt come out o’ the bar one evening fair,

And you could tell the way he walked he drank more than his share.

He fumbled around until he could no longer find his feet,

Then he staggered off into the grass to sleep beside the street.

CHORUS

A ring-ding-diddle-diddle aye-dee-oh, a ring-ding diddley aye-day,

He staggered off into the grass to sleep beside the street.

Well about that time two young and lovely girls just happen by,

And one said to the other with a twinkle in her eye,

I see yon sleepin’ Scotsman, so strong and handsome built,

I wonder if it’s true, what they don’t wear beneath their kilt?

CHORUS

A ring-ding-diddle-diddle aye-dee-oh, a ring-ding diddley aye-day,

I wonder if it’s true, what they don’t wear beneath their kilt?

So they crept up on that sleepin’ Scotsman, quiet as can be,

And lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see

And there, behold, for them to view beneath the Scottish kilt

Was nothin’ more than God had graced him once upon his birth.

CHORUS

A ring-ding-diddle-diddle aye-dee-oh, a ring-ding diddley aye-day,

Was nothin’ more than God had graced him once upon his birth.

Well they marveled for a moment then said, "Well, we must be gone."

Let’s leave a present for our friend before we move along.

As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon tied into a bow,

Around the bonnie star the Scotsman’s kilt that left its show.

CHORUS

A ring-ding-diddle-diddle aye-dee-oh, a ring-ding diddley aye-day,

Around the bonnie star the Scotsman’s kilt that left its show.

Well the Scotsman woke to Nature’s call and stumbled toward the trees,

Behind a bush he lifts his kilt and he gawks at what he sees.

And in a startled voice he say, "To what’s before me eyes?"

"Oh, Lord, I don’t know where you been, but I see you’ve won first prize!"

CHORUS

A ring-ding-diddle-diddle aye-dee-oh, a ring-ding diddley aye-day,

"Oh, Lord, I don’t know where you been, but I see you’ve won first prize!"

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You're about to make sense and make the rest of us men look bad.

I agree completely. It has become fashionable in this society for women to wear revealing clothing and then claim they are being "victimized" if anybody notices.

1. women presume all men want women's bodies exposed to them at all times in public. Maybe men prefer not to have to see women's cleavage and legs.

2. women use men's natural sexual desire as a weapon against men by claiming men have no right to look.

So, by the time a guy is photographing up a skirt, he has already been worked over on two levels.

Really, when I say society is designed to accommodate WOMEN and men can fend for themselves, this is one basis of my belief that women just DESPISE MEN and institutionalize this hatred for their benefit.

And people, I AM NOT JOKING. Men do not bring this up because they roll this stuff off, but looking at the guffaws on here, the sheer hatred of male sexuality, is intolerable.