Letters to the Editor
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Saw his show last night
Mystery is one of those rare people who has incredible charisma. His success has nothing to do with any trickery--he's just one of those guys. Interestingly, he didn't seem that interested in the women who were literally throwing themselves at him. Also, he is accompanied on his show by two acolytes. These guys were able to walk into a room and talk with the girls, but really, they had nothing on Mystery. Conclusion? This stuff can't really be taught.
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No Way Out
Conclusion? This stuff can't really be taught.
Time to just give up now and off ourselves I guess, or else continue living the life of being outside the candy store window staring in.
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Mystery's Show
"Also, he is accompanied on his show by two acolytes. These guys were able to walk into a room and talk with the girls, but really, they had nothing on Mystery. Conclusion? This stuff can't really be taught."
Watch the show near the end of the season and tell me these shy, scared individuals haven't learned a TON. They may not be at Mystery's level but I guarantee the difference will be night and day, in a move for the positive for each individual.
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Does anyone else here smell a...
sockpuppet?
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Aw! Just when it was getting interesting
the interview abruptly stops...
hmmmmm....
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Sockpuppet?
Sockpuppet heh?
Just because someone actually stands up for the guy and knows what's going a bit? How many people read this discussion board a day and just because two people say something positive about the guy it's a sock puppet? You're very, very naive. i.p. me beeyatch
I stumbled upon this site reading articles about Mystery's new show which I didn't even know was a show until last week. I'm sure Mystery could care less what you people say or think. I've never met Mystery or in any way had any communication through him. I have learned through other various PUAs I've been lucky enough to meet in my travels. I just HAD to chime in though after reading all these hateful things said about a guy trying to help people out, with most of the comments using the most ill gotten logic I have ever seen.
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As a woman....
I have a hard time talking to men, and watching this show actually gave me some pointers. If you really pay attention to what this man says, his advice is universal. One of the tips I got from the show is that when you walk into a room, make eye contact with everyone in there and keep your head up. This works for men AND women. As for the issue regarding Mystery putting women down, I have to agree with the posters that say the women who gravitate to him are looking for a one time deal. We ladies are smart. Give us some credit. We know our worth, and we like to get some once in a while. Nothing wrong with that. If I saw Mystery in a club, I'd walk the other way because I can't do one night stands.
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Now you're scaring me [not]
Naive? What's naive about suspecting that you're a sock puppet? You're doing more than just defending the guy. You're selling his product in language directly from his playbook. Either you're a true believer or you're a sock puppet. I suspect the later for a number of reasons, including the fact that you have no record of posting on any other topics here.
In any event, whoever you are, I can't help noting the irony in your use of prison yard, misogynist slang in an attempt to challenge or denigrate me, given that your stated purpose is to defend this guy from charges of misogyny. My guess is that you assume that I'm male, but that makes it no less offensive. Basically, your use of a term of abuse traditionally directed towards women (suggesting that I'm a punk) tells me all that I need to know about your attitude towards women.
As far as your challenge itself is concerned, exactly how would I go about "i.p."ing you, given that I have no access to your ip number or Salon's server logs?
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@ venusian who says: "I'm sure Mystery could care less"
I hope you don't mind a little correction, but the correct usage is "couldn't care less."
On to some of your points:
1. You said the article by Tracy Clark Flory bashes Mystery (Markovik).
It does not. It mostly allows Markovik the chance to reveal himself. He does.
2. You say women started "the game" and then you used actual physical attributes of women to support that claim, drawing on a little evolutionary psychology.
Not fair at all. Having certain physical attributes by virtue of being female does not "start" anything. There is no deliberateness to it. These are characteristics that simply evolved.
3. You say women enhance those attributes by means of makeup and revealing clothing.
True in part. You probably see these things as a trap or a snare and seem to claim that PUA techniques level the playing field. Correct?
However, wearing attractive clothing and makeup may also be part of a woman's professional life. Many workplaces have written rules (and ALL have unwritten rules) about what constitutes proper physical presentation. When I worked in job development, I was encouraged to wear makeup and dress well in order to role model the proper presentation for people who were preparing for a job interview. If I went out for a drink after work, it would be a mistake to assume that my appearance was an invitation.
4. You refer to possible female pickups as a "hot piece of ass."
I think that language pretty well speaks for itself. You (as a self-professed PUA) are seeing a woman in terms of a body part of sexual interest. In other words you are usually looking for a one night stand or a very short-term rather than a LTR.
However, not every woman whom you might meet would feel the same way. There are women who like a ONS, but there are many more who would prefer a relationship. Why not simply declare to the women that you are mainly interested in her ass and most likely are looking for a ONS. That way there is an honest social contract rather than a bad faith manipulation?
5. You call many of the men who want to learn PUA techniques AFCs, which stands for "Average Frustrated Chumps." A chump is someone who gets used. This is an interesting choice of language. Clearly you either believe that the AFCs are being used by women. However, how can they be actually used by women if if they cannot get to first base. Noooo. Instead, they are being rejected by women and people who claim to turn AFCs into PUAs are acting as if rejection itself is an act of hostility. (I will get to this later.)
6. You claim that PUA techniques are the same thing that women do to men. Could you please elaborate and show these EXACT parallels.
7. You say: "Who said it was okay to ignore another human being?"
My answer is: Who says it is not okay. When a telemarketer calls, I get to hang up. When the Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses come to the door wanting me to buy their particular brand of faith, I get to shut my door. When someone hands me a pamphlet on the street, I get to throw it away. I don't have to put money in the pot when the Salvation Army rings the bell at Christmastime. If a man wants to buy me a drink, I get to say "No thank you." If a guy trys to get my attention in a bar, I can ignore him in order to continue enjoying the company of my friends or even just to enjoy my own thoughts.
8. You say that PUA techniques "Kick them [women] off the pedestals."
Why the violent language venusian? Is it to appeal to men's anger toward women who have rejected them?
Who are the chumps really? Isn't chump just another word for mark?
Don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against social techniques that help people gain acceptance. As a job coach, I taught some of those techniques. I taught people to represent themselves in the best possible way. I think this is good. I think everyone should present themselves in the BEST possible way when their interests are at stake.
However what I am reading -- strictly by reading YOU -- is that Mystery is a general in the gender war (used to be called battle of the sexes) leading his foot soldiers (AFCs) to battle against those manipulating females who have dared to reject them. (And how on earth is rejection manipulation?) This is a SALES technique. You are manipulating your MARKS.
Go ahead. Carry on.
Just don't expect it to make the relationships between men and women any better.