Letters to the Editor
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Dan and aka Smith have hit
the nail on the head! Yes, it is all about confidence. I love talking to a really nice guy, but a confident nice guy. A guy who acts like a scared puppy surprised I'm wasting my time by talking with them quickly loses my interest. But a nice, calm,
confident guy who just tries to get to know me and have a pleasant conversation holds my interest everytime.
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I'd Hit It
Sorry. Sometimes I just have to lead with the first thought on the pile.
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@The Jim
Why all the insluts to women that want to get laid? Why are they vapid or bimbos or any other terms used against them.
Why dismiss the one night stand? This backlash against the sexual revoultion is kind of disturbing.
Intentional? Or seriously funny Freudian slip there? Hah! Love it. :D
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7 hours?
I don't have time to spend 7 hours seducing a woman. What, I'm going to go to the club at 7 o'clock and start hitting on the first woman I see so I can get laid by 2am? As for getting some women to join him it's called "buying drinks". Plus he looks gay.
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"this is viewed as, at best, pathetic and at worst an attempt to rape!"
Oh please.
@ chris49068
Who actually said this? I have been reading this thread and I have not seen such a letter. Why the hyperbole? Why erect this strawman? No one here thinks Markovik is engaged in facilitating rape. LMAO!
Are you upset because we don't yet have the full-throat cry of gender war in this thread? We are actually having a fairly civilized conversation.
Sure I made fun of how Marovik looks and sure I think Clark-Flory left him shamefully exposed but he has no one to blame but himself for trying lame tricks on a writer who had the sense to do her homework. This doesn't mean that Marovick cannot continue his money-making "scheme." I think "the game" being run on the guys who pay for this is much worse than "the game" that they are attempting to run on women in bars. If there is any "rape" going on, it is the sucker-born-every-minute and laughing-all-the-way-to-the bank kind. This is America! Sales scams rule.
Even more hilarious are those who think reality television has anything to do with reality. It is, at best, a sort of microcosm of the worst aspects of our national character. Everyday men and women meet, mate, and sometimes even marry all without Marovik's help. Who knew?
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This is what we've sunk to..
We now have a reality show featuring a guy who dresses like a fashion accident from Hot Topic who teached guys not how to have meaningful relationships with others, but to simply get laid. Yet we wonder why the divorce rate is so high in this country, because we consistiantly look for the right answers to the wrong questions from even worse people. What's next? A show featuring Ann Coulter berating orphans for having no parents? I hope the network executive who greenlighted this show has this nightmaire date one of their kids.
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I'd Hit It Pt 2
Of course I'd never hit it more than the once - because I'm sure it would be self-involved and suck at sex.
I'd never even think of breeding or partnering with it.
But guys, the height thing, it does exist. And my first love was shorter than my less-than-average frame. Basically, biology rules. We cannot always help what (intentional verbiage) attracts us. If you could see the last bag of charming, insane, drug-addicted bones that made me crazy for 2 months...
Thanks goodness I hid it well (enough)- for a change.
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Rich successful men attract scores of women
...like flies to poo-poo.
Deal with it.
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Money-making "scheme"?
AKA Smith.
Please. The level of "moral outrage" in response to this thread is embarrassing.
Some men have difficulty striking up conversations with strangers, men or women, but especially women. This isn't shocking or news to anyone.
These men go to a guy to get tips on how to approach people, ice-breakers, how to strike up conversations and tricks on how to keep a conversation going.
How is this a "scheme" or "mind control" exactly?
But again, reading through a lot of the letters, you don't see people (especially women) veiwing this as normal or not worth commenting on. Instead of saying, "Who cares?" a lot of people, especially women, seem to be deeply offended.
Again, his big crime was to say women respond more favorable to men who are confident and know how to begin and maintain a conversation.
A lot of men (I'd say the majority) feel the need to "prove" themselves to the women on this board by chiming in, "Me too! I hate this guy too! He hates women! Anyone who has difficulty talking to women is...is a loser!" Why the men feel the need to chime in with the "me too's!' seem odd to me, but there it is.
I know, I know.
In order to prove your "enlightend male" street cred you have to automatically a) hate Mystery b) ridicule shy men seeking advice and c) insult any woman who ever falls prey to these conversational ice-breakers, er, I mean mind control scheme! "Those pathetic whores! How low must their self-esteem be to fall for such an ice-breaker, er, I mean mind control technique!"
To the chicks: come down! It's just advice for the socially ackward who have difficulty approaching strangers and striking up conversations.
To the men: you can calm down to. Piling on with the "me too's!" to show your solidarity with the women is not necessary. Though I'm sure they appreciate the effort.
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There you have it Chris
no woman ever punished a guy for agreeing with her, even if he doesn't mean a word he says but is doing it only to remain in her good graces (bed)
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Annie was right
I've thrown myself at a few Nice Guys, only to feel like I was spitting into the wind. It was a truly unpleasant experience, frankly, to curl up next to a man in his bed and then crawl home with my tail between my legs sometime around one in the morning, the word "friend" ringing in my ears.
I ended up dating someone else who was just as nerdy but not-nice enough to actually kiss me. Mr. Nice Guy was ferociously jealous, but got over it in the arms of Ms. Alcoholic Drama Queen.
I felt better about the whole thing after that. If that was what he wanted, then he sure as heck didn't want me. This kind of thing happened more than once when I was in college, which leads me to believe that the Nice Guys aren't telling the whole story.
Speaking of nerdiness, nerds do get laid. I should know. The men who don't get laid are the groveling, obsequious ones who apologize for having a pee-pee. "If I buy you dinner, will you sleep with me? How about if I help you move? Or if I buy you jewelry? Please? I just wanna put it in for a minute!" This might work on some women, but they're not going to be very nice.
Mystery's stuff will work, too, but only because human beings are so varied that something will work on everyone. For a club chick, who spends a lot of time dressed and made up, being told that she's not measuring up will probably get her attention. Negging a woman whose feathers are plainer won't get the same results, but then again, men who buy his stuff won't be going after the plainer women, so it's all good. If any woman wants to dodge these guys, all she has to do is underdress. Staying clear of nightclubs will help, too.
I also second the idea that his height is a major factor. Very tall men can get away with fuzzy hats and garish tattoos. The same look on a short, fat guy is going to be ridiculous. Also, these techniques will work great in Mystery's accustomed environments, where they're been refined and honed, but they're going to be iffy anywhere else. Women who hang out in midwestern small-town sandwich shops, for example, are not going to be impressed by a 6' game-spitting peacock.
I'm with A.K.A. Smith. I think the real game is being run on men, who are forking over $5000 per workshop. I guess that's a measure of the seductive ability of confidence where men are concerned. A guy who claims to be able to get any woman he wants can sell $5000 lessons to men? On the basis of a lot of testimonials (read: probably fiction) and a handful of online videos?
Wow. Just, wow.