Letters to the Editor
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???????
One of our anonymous posters stated:
"Let's face it: men have absolutely no say in when or how they become fathers."
If you are really that stupid, and yes, I mean stupid, you SHOULD be insecure.
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I wonder how flyover52 feels about Bush teaching Abstinence in school?
Because apart from celibacy, the anonymous poster was correct.
In fact, abstinence and celibacy are not sufficient. There have been many men that had nothing to do with a woman or a mother, including famous comedian Fatty Arbuckle that have been charged with rape and fatherhood.
These days the deadbeat dad industry has made it mandatory that all babies have an identified father and that has resulted time after time in mothers identifying men as fathers that were not the fathers and were not even in the same country. And it has resulted in government agencies listing children as fathers, and listing senior citizens as fathers and going after these people for child support unless they mount a vigorous and expensive legal campaign.
The sperm fetishists would seem to be the women looking for a baby daddy. And even the lesbian couples that want to have a child. Kill me now for agreeing with Dan Quayle, but maybe the sperm fetishist was Murphy Brown.
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About that Eagle...
Does it peck out the eyes first, or does it go for the liver? And does it hang out on the rock and protect its carrion, or try to fly it to its aerie?
Let me take a try:
The industrialization of the egg, via in vitro fertilization, surrogate motherhood and the like, has created a crisis for women in which they are icreasingly valued not for their personhood, but for their ability to reproduce. The very technologies so closely tied to women's sexual freedom and second-wave feminism, i.e. the birth control pill, have advanced so that virtually all women, even those of post-menopausal age, can reproduce. Women have once again been relegated to the status of a walking womb. The question now, regardless of marital status or sexual orientation, is not simply CAN I reproduce, but should I, will I, MUST I reproduce?
How's that? And I don't even have a sociology degree!
And seriously, gentlemen, if you don't want any bambinos running around out there with your DNA on 'em, keep it in your sneaker as the saying goes. Get it snipped or use a condom, and take it with you when you leave if you feel you must. And don't donate to sperm banks.
Another thing I don't understand is the fear of being trapped by a woman's pregnancy. If you are not taking precautions, yes, you might get somebody pregnant. But in my experience, the women I have been close to who wanted to have children, when they found out I was not interested, they simply ended the relationship and found someone else who shared their desires. Turns out I wasn't the only fish in the sea. And the women I have been with who didn't want to have children were perfectly happy with my desire not to - they certainly didn't get knocked up just to force me to finance their lifestyle!
All kinds of things are changing, medically, culturally, technologically. To equate the father's rights movement or the porn revolution with the existence of sperm banks is kind of silly. You know, we have radically destabilized the definition of femininity over the past 100 years or so. Whether one thinks that's a good thing or not I'll leave up to each individual to argue. To think that we can re-order the traditional role of women without some sort of corresponding confoundment on the part of men, or that men should not react in any way, or that this concurrent destabilization of the masculine is based soley on some sort of basecode boys/sperm/ejaculation paradigm is...juvenile?
Bonus question: If men want women to want their semen, and want them to want it so badly that they don't want to wait for it, shouldn't they be drinking "straight from the bottle", as the punchline goes? I'm afraid the author misses the mark very badly on the latest and extremely crude variation on the money shot.
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Just wondering
has anyone read the BOOK??? All you castigators should be ashamed of yourselves for trashing a scholar and her arguments based on snippets revealed in a little interview. You don't get to pass judgement based on that breadth of knowledge. Go read something!
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So this is why we've been saying it was a crappy interview
The point of the interview is not to reproduce the dust cover of the book, but to help us understand who the author is, what her theories are, and how she came to them.
The interview does none of that.
Which is why we are trashing the interview. If the author and book are wrongly challenged, Thomas Rogers is free to update his interview or respond in the comments here. So is Lisa Jeane Moore.
That they have not done so shows the criticisms are most likely accurate and on target.
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Unbelievable
I cannot fathom why so many people are so outraged by this article. Don't you have anything better to do than try and prove that your RIGHT? This is one woman's opinion. She is not attacking all men or trying to prove that all women are saints in the parenting game.
Further more, I am astonished at how many people will not take responsiblity for their actions. Nobody is forcing these men to go the sperm bank. Nobody forces these guys to have sex with these women (and please don't go into the rape thing, because that is a whole other discussion.) If you are so worried that some money hungry woman is going to come after you for child support, DON'T SLEEP AROUND AND DON'T SELL YOUR SPERM! Simple as that.
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Russian roulette
Forever Known As is the kind of man who ends up in a bad spot because he imputes good intentions to all the women he knows/meets/fucks. Because he's been successful so far in meeting women who respect his wishes, he assumes that his good fortune will continue. I hope it does, but I don't function on hope unless I'm out of everything else.
More broadly: I shouldn't have to be at the tender mercies of a matriarch when it comes to the question of me and fatherhood. (Imagine for a moment the reaction were a modern gal told that she should just let the man decide when and where she got pregnant. It's okay baby, trust me, I'll pull out... honest!) I want the same control that the matriarchs have now and have had for over 40 years. I don't want to be stuck with a $360,000 bill for a child I never wanted because I swapped fluids with tramp-stamped hottie I met out on the town. I could give a shit less about Ms. Moore's pet theories (concocted in a lesbian academic hothouse) about alleged male sexual insecurities vis-a-vis our miraculous flying fluids. In any other venue, such derogatory remarks about a group of people would get her written up by the SPLC. I want to tap skanks and the skanks in my city want to be tapped. No need for kooky, derogatory generalizations about male weakness. It's a simple equation.
I say let the gals have it all -- the wars, the dangerous jobs, the stress, the indentured servitude -- all of it. Bully for those bitches (to paraphrase Sam Jackson's line in Jackie Brown). We've reached a point in history when men and women can find TONS of things more satisfying, more stimulating and more fulfilling than married life. The demographics are showing this. We men just want the magic potion the gals have and then we can be content.
If I want intelligent conversation, I'll hang with the lads. If I want to drop a few ounces, I'll pick up a gal. We don't have to be slaves any longer to the Ozzie and Harriett lifestyle. It's a paralyzing, soul-sucking dream foisted onto us by a consumer society funded by funny money and petro dollars. Get off your ass and go rock climbing, sky diving or take an art class. The need for hot monkey sex can be satisfied (with male b/c) AND you can still play Halo 3 on a four day binge.