Letters to the Editor
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there are many varieties of female circumcision/genital mutilation
and if there are any activists on the issue who have said that some cutting of females is ok because it is comparable to or less severe than what is done to males then i haven't heard about it. The point is that "EVERYONE" agrees that the female body should be involate but that when it comes to the male body lots of the same people think that a little snipping here and there is no big deal. Apart from the issue of circumcison specifically this is an astoundingly blatant assertion of the principle that females are superior and more worthy of being well treated.
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Sickening
I'm not talking about the circumcision. I'm talking about the fact that this adult man caved to his parents and his wife, for all her bluster, meekly went along with him.
Jesus, man, can you be any more of a fucking stereotype? The whole nebbish Jewish mama's boy who's painfully self-aware of it but somehow unable to change it schtick may seem cute at first, but when it reaches ridiculous proportions like this, some serious therapy is in order.
As you may have figured out by now from how deeply this has struck me, I am myself Jewish, whatever the hell that even means anymore if you've rejected the religion and the culture but somehow can't escape the quasi-tribal aspect of it. I don't pretend to understand that mysterious phenomenon known as Jewish mothers. But I'll let you in on a little secret - they're not invincible. By the age of 22, I have already long gotten mine used to the fact that a) I will not be marrying a Jewish girl, and b) I will not be continuing the family line (though if I were, the child would most certainly not be raised with any religion). On the other hand, a friend of mine was pretty much forced to break up with his girlfriend of over a year because his mom could never accept the fact that she was Asian. My respect for him plummetted to new lows.
My heart goes out to your wife. How did you ever even convince Mommy to let you marry a dirty goyim? I guess you're lucky that she 'never thought about it'. And if she had? Would you have screamed and stamped your feet only to accede in the end? I bet you would. How the hell did you not even see this coming when you initially married her, along with a slew of other questions? Is your mom now going to insist on you raising him Jewish and sending him to weekend school to learn the Torah? And are you going to willingly go along until your wife finally wises up and leaves you?
If your parents were actually willing to disown you and the grandchild because of this, they are worthless as family members. I hope that when your kid grows up you tell him that his grandparents' love for him is based solely on his penis.
Go ahead, call me a 'self-hating jew'. We need more of them in the world.
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if the grandparents have lots of money which they are threatening to withhold if they don't get their way
then the behavior of the parents may be more rational. I think that if the grandparents think that "being jewish" as they apparently define it it is important enough that it's worth applying that kind of pressure and the parents think that it's worth it to comply then everyone should be willing to sign notarized witnessed statements stating what was agreed to and why. Obviously the time to get them to agree to this would have been before the deed was done.
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hs= high school sophomore
There is no cultural or physological parallel between circumcision and female gential mutilation. Nice straw dick. Didn't penetrate.
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There is no cultural or physological parallel between circumcision and female gential
This is true for the most extreme types, but much of what is called FGM is exactly equivalent.
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to tom payne and the other self-proclaimed female circumcision experts
Since you know so much about female circumcision, perhaps you can describe the 4 types as defined by the WHO?
Out of those 4 types, which one is the most common?
Which type is a Sunni circumcision? What tissue is removed?
Who typically consents for female circumcision?
Where are female circumcisions typically performed?
Which kind of FGM removes the most tissue?
What is the equivalent male part to the clitoral hood?
Does the clitoris extend into a woman's body?
When did Blue Cross stop covering female circumcision in the United States?
Why did Dr. Kellogg recommend female circumcision in the United States? Which type did he advocate?
Thank you for enlightening us!
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totally different.
There is no cultural or physological parallel between circumcision and female gential mutilation. -- tom payne
Yes, totally different.
Except of course that they're both religious practices, both coming from ancient times in semitic cultures, Islam and Judaism.
Both are acknowledged in ancient religious texts as having the deliberate purpose of decreasing sensitivity so as to reduce sexual desire, which was considered sinful out of procreation context.
They're both shunned by other cultures and considered as strange to barbaric.
Both clip some combination of highly sensitive tissues from the genitals, including in the "mildest" forms of female circumcision the clitoral hood and labia, and the foreskin in men as well as the highly sensitive tissue extending along the bottom of the penis beneath the head.
Both practices remove as much of the free hanging sensory tissue as is feasible, leaving the minimal amout possible without doing major structural damage to the reproductive organs itself, i.e. the shaft of the penis and testicles, and the tunnel of the vagina and ovaries.
Neither practice is recommended by modern medical associations in developed countries, but which continue to be practiced out of traditional reasons that have nothing to do with medical science.
But, yes, other than that they're completely different.
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the one laugh
"Okay
I've read through all twenty-six pages of letters about this article, and I just have to say this:
I'm really sick of looking at Cary Tennis's face.
-- Mike Zimbouski"
-thanks Mike
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Alex
Ditto to most of your letter below. Thanks for saying it.
(I say "ditto" in spirit, since I relate to your point of view, but my specifics are different -- married a non-jew, had son, didn't circ, huge fight but my parents got past it.)