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Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:00 AM

Shacking up, not settling down

Horrors! Young couples are moving in together without plans for marriage

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Friday, July 10, 2009 09:55 PM

Yeahh!!!

Yeah!! Feminist death of marriage!

(Except for men - they are afraid of commitment and are patriarchally emotionally repressed).

Friday, July 10, 2009 09:55 PM

jello5929, What's on Your Mind?

Interestingly enough, there is no reference to sex in the article. It's about living together.

Couples who don't live together are quite capable of having sex. Couples who do live together may or may not have sex as often as before they lived together. That is: living together is not the same thing as sex.

The article was comparing living together without marriage to mariage. Your belief that it was about sex seems to be your personal fantasy.

Friday, July 10, 2009 10:11 PM

Jello? Edith Wilson, much?

Um...there are many feminists who are happily married, such as Michelle Obama and Jill Biden, whoses' husbands by the way is neither threaten nor itmidated by their feminists lifestyle outside bearing their children and staying at home.

Remember, Michelle work at the law firm, where she meet an intern Barack and Jill Biden is an english professor at a city college even though her husband has been senator when they dated each other.

Feminism is a political, philosophical belief and not a form of lifestyle. Feminists do advocate for paid maternity leave, fair paid, and yes even birth control for women. Feminists fought for girls to have the same right to played sports in high school through Title X, prevented pregnant women from being fired, and supported the Lily letterman act, something that conservative women strongly oppossed.

In fact, many conservative women oppossed everything that don't make a girl highest priority is to be a pretty, pure, virginal bride, who will stayed at home and followed the quiverfill cult. Why do you think that they support abstinence only until marriage program, beauty pagant, and opposed equality for women?

Edit Wilson, much? (Edith Wilson was the second wife of Woodrow Wilson, who oppossed the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote because she thinks that women were too feminine for those things).

Oh, you can take the feminists because it was they who help wives decide how many children they want in Griswold vs. CT. In fact, every single rights that women enjoyed in the US was brought to you by feminists, and conservative women has always been on the wrong side of every single issue. What, did you really think that Phylus Schlafy would have fought for the right for a married woman to use birth control? No!!

Friday, July 10, 2009 10:12 PM

Tracy, what "horrors" are you referring to?

As far as I can tell, there was no "horrified reaction" by the researchers or anyone else. This was a study, and not a very scientific one (it relied on self-reported information from volunteers).

Increasing, it seems like Broadsheet writers are stretching to try and make a tempest in a teapot about the lamest articles or half-baked studies or opinion pieces by writers they don't like (i.e., Caitlin Flanagan). Aren't there any ACTUAL current events or issues facing women to report on? Has all the real news dried up?

Living together was commonplace and not very shocking (except perhaps to one's great grandmother) even when I was a young college student myself, which was over 3 decades ago. You'd have to be very conservative and VERY sheltered to unaware that a majority of young people (as well as middled aged and elderly people) live together before (or instead of) marriage.

In fact, one of the most swiftly increasing demographics are ELDERLY people living together -- to protect their Social Security payments, which are higher for two unmarried people than for a couple. So with Baby Boomers headed for old age, it is likely we will see far more of this, rather than less.

I do, however, agree with the sensible poster who pointed out that simply avoiding a marriage license or ceremony does NOT guarantee anyone that they will avoid a broken heart, or the misery associated with breaking up a household and a life when a relationship ends. That, unfortunately, is part and parcel of human nature and I don't really see how it can be avoided, short of becoming a hermit.

Friday, July 10, 2009 10:14 PM

Some comments

"Is this really what modern feminism is about? Sex. That's it? Think about, talk about, obsess over sex."

You bet. See only the current Salon stories:

- This story about cohabitation.

- A story about porn films.

- Pope and Obama about abortion (related to sex)

- Dresses for fat girls

- A comment about a comment about the sexual life of Sotomayor

- Morgan Freeman dating his step granddaughter

- Botox

- Myles Cyrus' sexy pictures

- A story about an educator teaching how to masturbate in public

- Another abortion story

- Yet another abortion story

- Creating sperm out of stem cells

- The visitation rights of a porn actress

Do you see a trend? Why modern feminism is so obsessed about sex. If Betty Friedan were born today, The Feminine Mystique would be indistinguishable from the sex articles of Cosmo.

Hey, you modern feminists, who are amazed at having a vagina (The Vagina Monologues), do you know that there is an organ between your ears called "brain" which has the ability of thinking things different than sex?

"Once we’ve lost the sacred duty to Marriage and Family, what fate can await Our Great Nation?"

Being an European, the destruction of European family means the destruction of European culture, which will be replaced by (extremely patriarchal) Islam in less of a century, according to the last demographic projections.

I don't know about America but I guess you will be replaced by the patriarchal Hispanic people.

You can only mess with family during a century or so. After that, you have destroyed the society. Enjoy the fun while it lasts.

Friday, July 10, 2009 10:43 PM

Agile Cyborg

This is unrelated. Rape scenes in a movie can be more disturbing than murder scenes because murder victims don't make up any portion of the audience.

Friday, July 10, 2009 11:02 PM

Agile

The person who raped me was well liked by everyone, and seemed really normal and stable and non-violent, and likes kittens and puppies. Just thought you should know.

Friday, July 10, 2009 11:16 PM

"I was raped. I swear I was. Just ask, er, uh...."

"Rape scenes in a movie can be more disturbing than murder scenes because murder victims don't make up any portion of the audience."

And murder victims don't make up stories about being killed.

"

The person who raped me was well liked by everyone, and seemed really normal and stable and non-violent, and likes kittens and puppies. Just thought you should know."

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