I have treated all women, especially my wife, as being a human being.

She, thank God, has responded by being my soul mate and a wonderful partner.

She also fucks like a dynamo every once in a while, so it's a win-win.

As for Palin, what intelligent woman could possibly think that twit represents them ? The woman is W with tits, for Chissakes!!!

NOW you're gonna hear some screaming, right ?

I included you only because you were addressing the same subject, not because I think you had the same opinion.

but didn't feel like going to conferences.

You have to look beneath the surface. Youth and race got us Obama/Bush III. Via The Reclusive Leftist:

To attend the conference, you have to have been a NOW member for at least three months. And to vote in the conference, you have to be not only a member (naturally), but also a delegate from your chapter. There are a limited number of delegate slots, and the delegates are chosen by the chapter presidents. And once you get to the conference, you have to be credentialed, a byzantine process involving picture IDs, membership records, sign-offs, etc.

Alice, they were Clinton supporters and Palin DEFENDERS meaning former Clinton supporters who protest sexism and misogyny against all women.

Were you there? Perhaps Terry won because Gandy's tenure was marked with membership decline.

If you are saying that there were anti-choice people at the meeting - give us the facts.

...if you were at the conference and took even a five second look at Latifa's supporters and Terry's supporters, it's clear where the young feminists were -- and it wasn't with Feminist Leadership NOW. Another point no one has brought up is that 400 people voted -- out of the organizations supposed 500,000 members. Did the NOW's activist base really vote for this team? The process is sketchy at best.

C'mon Celia, there is no reason for such petulance unless you have absolutely nothing concrete to say in response to my post, which I don't believe.

Isn't it the more radical feminists who believe that "there is a male-based authority and power structure and that it is responsible for oppression and inequality?"

And it was Susan B. Anthony who believed that women should be allowed to refuse sex with her husband (and anyone else I assume) to address the abortion issue at the root cause. You should get yourself back to feminism school!

But you never addressed my main argument: that the feminist movement enslaves women to the myopic definition of 'woman' that it approves.

But it is this way with the whole progressive movement, of which feminism is just a part. I hear so much about the 'Big Tent' of the left, but in reality it is a 'Tent City.'

Women reside in one small tent based on the left's myopic criteria of what a woman should be;

African-Americans have their tent where people like Clarence Thomas are shunned but Jeremiah Wright is 'DY-NO-MITE!'

SotoMayor gets a spot in the Latino tent, but Alberto Gonzales and Linda Chavez need not apply.

So here you are, seemingly perfectly okay with the enslavement of women to this one little tent that feminism has carved out for them.

Unfortunately for you, women everywhere see the modern feminist movement to be as confining to women as the original oppression it was supposed to correct. I imagine this provides you with much consternation.

I can see your frustration. And the lack of an ability to control the mind of women like Sarah Palin explains why women like you hate her so much.

could have endorsed the McKinney/Clemente ticket which many PUMAs voted for. I abstained as I could not support McCain or Obama.

is lifelong, pro-choice, Democrats and feminists like myself. We were angry for the first time in NOW's history, they endorsed a Presidential candidate/ticket without a woman. NOW has only endorsed four Presidential candidates/tickets, Shirley Chisholm, Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro, Carol Moseley Braun and Barack Obama/Joe Biden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Women

1972: NOW endorses Shirley Chisholm, a NOW member, in the democratic primary. Chisholm is the first African American woman to run for President, and NOW's first presidential endorsement. NOW rarely endorses Presidential candidates.

1984: NOW makes its second presidential endorsement, supporting women's rights champion Walter Mondale, former Vice President, in the democratic primary. With NOW's urging a "Woman VP NOW," Mondale selects Geraldine Ferraro for Vice President. NOW campaigns nationwide for Mondale/Ferraro.

2003: NOW endorses Carol Moseley Braun, the second African-American woman to run for U.S. President.

2008: On September 16, NOW endorsed Barack Obama for president. NOW originally endorsed Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president during the Democratic Party Primary. Also made known that they would not support Sarah Palin, the running mate of Obama's Republican counterpart, John McCain.

were pretenders and a distraction. They were jut a bunch of right winger pretending or supporting Hillary just because republicans thought Clinton could be beat. Hillary lost because Obama was better candidate, and Bill's buddies screwed up her campaign.

Please don't put me in the same category of Cat..

Palin supporters didn't win the election for Terry O'Neill.

She ran on her record. She was the most qualified, had a better vision and members responded.

When women have a choice, they choose the person who has the vision they seek for themselves.

Emma Goldman was pro-choice, though she found the idea of *forced* abortions deplorable.

Margaret Sanger was (obviously) pro-birth control, and especially in favor of methods that prevented implantation. While she considered terminating a pregnancy qwhere the baby has "quickened", her stance on birth control would make her "anti-life" to the forced-birther crowd today.

I'm so confused.

In that post to jcjcjcjc that last line should begin YOUR garbage and not you're garbage as in:

And your garbage about abstaining and your sarcastic little 'predatory male' thing show your arguments to be so much bullshit anyway.

Legal Abortion was not even an issue in the suffrage movement. The right to vote was the issue they were fighting for and when these women spoke of abortion they were talking about the terrible "illegal' abortion methods being used at that time. Even Margaret Sanger spoke out against 'illegal' abortion methods because of their harm to women when she campaigned for birth control. They weren't against abortion, they were against the 'illegal' methods.

The current FFL organization evolved out of Beverly LeHaye's Concerned Women of America, as an anti legal abortion, and anti birth control organization." They revised, and twisted and warped every quote from Elizabeth Carry Stanton from the Suffrage movement to fit their own ANTI choice agenda.

FFL may think it is being clever by pretending to be feminists, but those who know the real complicated history and splits in the Woman's Freedom movement understand the times were different how much FFL has twisted factual history. It was the ERA that became the bitter divide between the Woman's rights groups, not abortion. The National American Woman's Suffrage Association (NAWSA), which Carry Stanton belonged to, who were concerned about the ERA. The NAWSA became the League of Woman voters in 1923.

NOW led a new crusade for ERA beginning in the 60s. In 1972 NOW was joined by the, Women's Political Caucus, and the League of Woman Voters, to support the ERA. In the 70s it was the anti abortion crusader Phyllis Schafley who led the fight against the ERA as wedge issue against ROE.