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Friday, April 17, 2009 12:00 AM

Cougars, hyenas and succubi, oh my!

Older women aren't the only huntresses prowling for male meat.

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 06:53 PM

Honestly...

I'm usually the first to be skeptical of any "poor little men" type spin piece. But I have noticed this trend too. Some blame feminism, but I say that it's the pop culture version of "feminism lite" more than anything that promotes obnoxious sexual aggressiveness as "empowerment." It's all over the place and it IS a change from when I was a teen in the 90s. It would be one thing to just remove the stigma from female sexuality, but instead the stigma is still there, but there's also an expectation of "achievement" and competition and aggression that is new, and more like what we're used to seeing boys and young men subjected to. I'm disturbed by it. It wasn't a healthy standard for boys, and it's not a healthy standard for girls, either. Moving from "girls getting hurt" to "everyone getting hurt" is a sad kind of equality.

I think the worst thing about the whole "hyena" thing is that it trivializes what really is a growing social concern with a stupid cutesy nickname.

You'll forgive me for wishing that "liberation" had a little more class and a little less skank to it.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 07:16 PM

Funny it is...

Old chicks doing. Everyone knows about the difference vis-a-vis male/female play. Young chicks rock and old ladies, well sorry, Mom. Good times, good times...

Thursday, April 16, 2009 07:17 PM

Men are defective women

To either be corrected or destroyed.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:04 PM

well, you just know...

those boys must have communicated, somehow, that they were asking for it. They could have, you know, not left themselves in such a vulnerable position, and they shouldn't have underestimated the aggressive sexuality of those girls. I'm sure that if they weren't wearing such tight jeans their erections wouldn't have been so noticeable.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:39 PM

I thought for sure that the term 'hyena' meant an aggressive, older, UGLY woman

I must be showing my sexism, but that was my guess before I read the article. It seems to fit much better. Who would ever think of a young girl as a hyena...? Hyenas are the nadir of ugly in the animal kingdom. Pretty much the opposite of a young girl, whether the girl is attractive or not.

Jennifer Austin Leigh is a poor writer, and her word is poorly coined. And I admit I'm a typical male, although I AM a feminist. And if I have to make that claim, out loud, protesting, reminding, in a veiled attempt to rescue my honesty and reputation, there will be the nearby stench of skepticism, floating.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:44 PM

riiiight

The thing is that the girls who booze it up in hopes of getting up "the courage to prey on a guy," as Leigh puts it, are just as confused as the boys who regret losing their virginity to an uncaring partner. That is to say: Both are confused as all hell.

let's see you now forgive GUYS in the same way. when it is about girls, there is always a feminist excuse. but if a guy somehow made a girl lose her virginity to him... you know the drill.

feminism is all about the hypocrisy

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:49 PM

notice, though, how it is usually women who are writing up the articles about out of control female sexuality

it's really about preserving the value of the monopoly.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:52 PM

I mean the

books

Thursday, April 16, 2009 08:57 PM

This will probably surprise some but I am actually consistent

To that boy steven boo hoo.

"I was at a party and had too much to drink."

Don't drunk then if you can not make good decisions especially when you are breaking the law to do so. You are responsible for your actions.

"One of the girls decided she wanted a thrill and pulled off my pants and made me get a hard-on and had sex with me"

Did you say no, did you try to leave if not stop crying and take responsibility instead of blaming someone else and something else for your actions.

"But I regret that I lost my virginity like that"

Why do you have the V on a pedestal like that to begin with? Can we as a society stop pretending the first time is some super special moment that needs to be perfect. My first time I was so worried her parents would wake up, if I was pleasing her that I never came and did not really enjoy myself worrying about everything else. Second time under similar situations I had a great time and so did she. We should do it like Joe Kennedy and get a pro for the first time for at least boys just to get the mental crap out of the way.

Great article by the way. Except this kid was not sexual victimized he made bad choices that he regrets and could have stopped. The 30 percent of guys where also likely not victimized either. And the author of the book looks like she wants to be the go to "expert" for the Today show or Oprah.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 09:38 PM

Godfrey Daniels!

Girl, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THERE!

Don't you ever come up for air?

Thursday, April 16, 2009 09:40 PM

My dear Roxyval,

For once, I cannot argue with you.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 09:43 PM

Erase the Fucking Skanks!

An apt call-to-arms for all the good women.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:03 PM

be aggressive! B-E aggressive!

So you can be called a hyena, or the more traditional name, skank. But don't be passive, because then you're just playing the victim card. Be assertive! But not bossy! Be easy! But not slutty! But, don't be a tease!

Honestly, I am sooooooo glad I am not a teen of either sex.

The specific instance of aggressive girl overpowering drunk boy sure sounds like date rape/gray rape to me (though details are a little sketchy, it sounds like the boy didn't want to be stripped and humped, and certainly didn't want an audience, but couldn't stop it.)

So why not just call the aggressor a rapist? Calling her a "hyena" (and OMG I needed that brain cell now storing hyena clitoris fun-facts for something else, thank you very much!) seems to make "cute" what she did.

Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:40 PM

????

I am still a little hazy as to what a Hyena is in the sexual culture.

Cougar; I get that, a woman, usually older than 35, who likes younger men.

But what exactly is a Hyena?

By the report I'm assuming it is a girl or woman who doesn't wait to get asked out, and isn't afraid to say what she wants in the bedroom.

Doesn't that describe all girls and women these day?

I thought women waiting for men was so two centuries ago.

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