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Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Dudes try "dating Darwinism"

An author argues that angry young men are becoming assholes to try to get women.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:22 PM

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If you want to be an animal, be an anaimal. But don't think your behaviour and drives relate to humanity.

You're nothing more than any wild beast, trying to look 'strong' to 'spread his seed' to the 'most desirable female'.

Don't bother humans with your bs. please.

(magd- hah, thanks, I thought I might have a word wrong).

And I work tirelessly on my career... the thought of getting desirable sex from it never crossed my mind. Do I meet people I love dearly beacuse of our shared passion and expreience? sure. But that rarely has anything to do with anything sexual. I work on my career because it's my passion and my soul and my life (and has been for 18 of my 25 years). If someone offered me tons of sex with desirable guys for doing something else, I'd laugh in their face.

And if you have no such passion in your life, well, I feel badly for you that your choice just came down to what could get you easy, animal sex.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:23 PM

lifelike what if some poeple, for instance men, want more sex than other people, for instance women do

why does it have to be more complicated than that. Figuring out how to make everyone happy is indeed a challenge but the underlying "morality" is fairly simple.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:23 PM

Haha

Old bitter woman writes fake article about young bitter men and entitled, bitter young women opine freely, unaware of their future.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:25 PM

I hat to tell you this lifelike

but your overflowing vitality, misdirected as it is, is kind of turning me on.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:27 PM

"P.S. This is all tongue in cheek people, honestly, relax, take a deep breath."

No it isn't. You wanna get a reaction from the guys who feel this way. In a sense, you want to hurt them. Probably because you were hurt. That's cool.

At the end of the day though, it is the young men who are disenchanted with the status quo that have destroyed societies in the past. The proverbial "Young men leaning against the wall" with no attachment to the system. In a sense, we all live by the grace of young men's apathy. When the apathy stops, life as we know it disintergrates. As the financial crisis worsens, and the education gap between boys and girls grows, I wouldn't be too smug about one's position.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:28 PM

Dick D is right on

>"Both men and women can desire brief hookups"

But not in the same numbers. . .

The percentage of men looking for a brief hookup - followed later in life by a more in-depth relationship at any age always seems to exceed the number of women doing the same. Add on the fact that a man can desire (and perform) a brief hookup daily and most women would only be interested in that twice (or less) a week... and you have a lot of frustrated guys. SO the most successful strategy for a guy interested in ONLY a brief hookup at the time is to be an @sshole. He can deliver his lame, gross hookup line to hundreds of women in very little time and find the ones in a like mindset. A women could wear a button (or just SMILE) and find men without waiting as the ratios are always off.

Forget Viagra. Forget Viagra for women as they say they don't need to want sex more often. What young men need is a pill that causes them to be attracted to men for 24 hours... Oh man, can you imagine the reaction from the Christian right?

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:29 PM

Achilles

you're WAY off on mid-defining 'power'.

you say: "I want you to do a little thought experiment: compare what you would think the success rates would be for a guy simply going up to a random girl and saying "I want to have sex with you", and a girl doing the same to a random guy. Until feminists agree to acknowledge that there would be a disparity (read: imbalance of power) ..."

NO!

If a guy says that, it's sexual AGGRESSION in a FRIGHTENING WAY (unless it's a joke, in which case that would be freakin hilarious and a guy I'd talk to).

A girl can't (easily, normally) have the PHYSICAL and SOCIAL POWER to Injuur, Demean, Sexually damage, or Rape a guy.

A guy can EASILY do those things to a girl, usually while blaming the girl.

There's a very instinctive, biological reason women naturally shy away from guys saying something like that- It's the MAN taking POWER OVER THEM.

Not the power to 'GRANT SEX' but the power to KILL or INJUR or RAPE or PERSONALLY DESTROY.

A guy has no such fears of girls. Their only thought would be 'Yes! Sex! Screwing something other than my right hand!' Because instinctively there's no physical fear.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:30 PM

@ beigelights

That link you posted is hilarious! However, I would find it funnier if my daughter hadn't dated a few guys that look like ones in the photos. It is better since she gave up dating musicians. Now if only she would ban dating DJs and forty-something guys, I would feel soooo much better.

Those guys in the photos illustrate why peacocking should be reconsidered.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:30 PM

Whenever

Neither partner, male or female, should have the 'power' to 'grant' sex.

Whenever I see the word "should", I disregard the remainder. "Should" means the women will tell us men what to think and we better follow directions if we are to be in their good graces.

In REALITY, where the rest of us men live, since women are typically a lot more discerning about men than men are about women, it typically happens that women ARE the ones holding back from becoming sexual with the man.

These women end up holding out the MOST for the nice, good men, WHICH LEADS to all men, EVEN THE NICE ONES, deciding "fuck this, I'll become an asshole if need be to become a person considered a sexual being to women".

SO you women DO practically for all intents control sex and you DO create this whole fiasco by indulging the bad men with sex while holding out for the good ones.

You think you are having your cake and eating it and all you are doing is destroying your daughters' futures.

I guess that is called JUSTICE in some way.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:34 PM

Dworkin- you hit it on the head

You made fun of me by saying I turned you on (har har).

But really, that's a terrifying remark.

and THAT is what guys don't get- what I was just saying about physical power.

A guy who's really turned on by me could injur/rape/humiliate me.

A girl can't generally do the same physically (specific and less comon types of rape aside).

The same instinct that makes a rabbit run (haha! Rabbit Run! christ, I hated that book) from a large predator makes a girl run from a predatory man.

The girls who give into them- the aggressive, predatory, only looking to screw guys-instead have been taught to pretend otherwise.

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