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Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:00 AM

Dudes try "dating Darwinism"

An author argues that angry young men are becoming assholes to try to get women.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:04 PM

she's too upset to think straight you'll have to forgive her (I actually think she is straight or she wouldn't get this mad, it is sort of cute)

maybe you can talk to her. I would talk to her but after I was forced to say that she needs to lose the weight in order to avoid years of invalidism and that fighting the good fight against male shallowness just isn't worth it I doubt she would listen to anything I said.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:07 PM

@ achilleselbow

Dude, I read your text and I realized that you are asking questions I was asking as a teenager.

And you know what the best part is: She's not going to give an answer other than - "it's my prerogative".

And it is - which is why you HAVE to go out and get yours.

FUCK THAT NICE GUY SHIT.

Seriously.

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@postnoodz

If I'm not seeing anyone and need a one night stand once in a while, I might humor the guy acting like a caveman for my own purposes. In terms of relationship material, however, I require someone respectful knowing that I too shall reciprocate with the same respect.

Why do you do this? News flash: the assholes aren't interested in a relationship either. Don't you see that by 'humoring' them but reserving your relationship demands for nice guys, you're doing the assholes a double favor, and by fulfilling all their needs you're just encouraging the asshole behavior and allowing it to thrive in our society? Did it ever occur to you that 'nice guys' aren't exactly averse to random sex either, the difference being that they would NOT be averse to something more if you wanted it? Did it ever occur to you that guys don't have an equivalent choice, as they don't have girls hitting on them wherever they go? Did it ever occur to you that we might possibly resent the idea that you use us as a crutch only when you're feeling vulnerable and want some stability after you've already all worn out from your wild romps with the douchebags?

Whatever, this is pointless. No amount of yelling or argument will bring back my missed youth. You all just keep doing whatever the hell you're doing.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:07 PM

I'm getting slow

Don't you see that by 'humoring' them but reserving your relationship demands for nice guys, you're doing the assholes a double favor, and by fulfilling all their needs you're just encouraging the asshole behavior and allowing it to thrive in our society?

This issue still pisses me off a lot and I totally missed it.

But I've become accustomed to the remedy, which is that guys are all now choosing to become assholes to fix this problem.

touche, ladies.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:08 PM

I wouldn't think things would be going quite so well these days

"hedgie".

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:10 PM

"Let's not make this a war between the sexes."

Tracy C-F, be honest now. Didn't you write the above sentence with your tongue in your cheek?

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:11 PM

Hopefully

If you've only worked on a career to bang hot dumb chicks, you don't deserve success.

Hopefully, I've worked on a career to bang HOT SMART AWESOME chicks who really love to please their man.

Mmmm. Jennifer Connelly. yum.

(REMINDER TO MYSELF: get that charity up and running-- get that SoHo office set up-- have those fab charity events that attract ALL the beautiful, smart, rich women)

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:12 PM

For the VERY last time, on power

Neither partner, male or female, should have the 'power' to 'grant' sex.

It should be something desired to be shared by both people.

Or at least physically just wanted by both people, consciously and consentually.

Not one trying to "get" it from the other who has pwer to "give" it. By your own logic, some poor idiotic chick who ever liked you must have thought you had the 'power' to 'grant' her sex.

Get over your own bitterness, please, and stop making assumptions that everyone else is as bitter as you.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:12 PM

@ Dick

Well I'm still here Mr. Dworkin... but you're right - it has been a tough year.

That's why I am amping up my asshole game... I need a lot of stress relief ;-)

I do have an exit plan if need be. Don't worry about me ;-)

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:18 PM

@likelife

Neither partner, male or female, should have the 'power' to 'grant' sex.

It should be something desired to be shared by both people.

The key word there is "should".

I want you to do a little thought experiment: compare what you would think the success rates would be for a guy simply going up to a random girl and saying "I want to have sex with you", and a girl doing the same to a random guy. Until feminists agree to acknowledge that there would be a disparity (read: imbalance of power) and give honest consideration to it, no progress will be made.

Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:19 PM

All this is really about

is certain beta males being pissed off that they aren't alpha males. Which is understandable. Who wouldn't prefer to be the alpha male? The bizarre thing is that many of them seem to direct their anger at women, rather than directly at the alpha males themselves.

Or sometimes they blame feminism. But don't kid yourselves guys, back in the perfect 50s, chicks still dug the alpha males. The pretty girls still married the high school quarterback. The difference is that at least now, the beta males have *some* chance to get sex before marrying the average girl. In the 50s they didn't. So you should thank feminism.

But I assure you, feminism did not create the phenomenon of alpha males, nor did it make women desire them. Nature did that.

Ah, nature. What a bitch she is. So many of the beta males protest that it isn't their fault they're angry about not getting sex with the hottest women -- it's in their nature and nothing will change it!! Well, if that's your theory, then you need to accept that it is just as natural that women prefer alpha males, and nothing is going to change that. So we either mutually work to civilize our baser animal instincts or we don't. But you can't claim biology as a defense while refusing to grant that defense to the opposite sex.

And hey, in the vast majority of social mammal species, the alpha male gets ALL the females and the beta males get NONE. At least not unless they want to risk being actually killed by the alpha male. And that's also how it worked in most human societies through-out history. The tribal leader got all the women and the beta males got nothing. So men, be thankful for equal rights -- it gave you monogamy! If we were still polygamous, Donald Trump would have 5,000 wives and you would get none. :)

P.S. This is all tongue in cheek people, honestly, relax, take a deep breath.

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