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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:00 AM

The baby's a...we're not telling!

Parents of 2-year-old refuse to reveal child's gender

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 01:54 PM

This is an outrage!

I demand these parents tell me if this child has a penis or a vagina.

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 01:54 PM

Crying on the inside

I can't believe the billions of people who've lived the cruel life of people knowing their gender. When they laugh or love or smile or hug, it pales in comparison to the experiences they would have had had their parents not stolen their gender innocence from them.

When they're in pain, the pain is deeper because it's weighed down by others knowing what's in their drawers.

They cry, but it's on the inside for they fear the judgement of people thinking they cry like a little girl...

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 01:57 PM

I try to make up for this obvious human failing

By telling little babies that they look like the opposite sex.

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 01:59 PM

@jebldmm

You have a very distorted idea about what a "feminist" is.

No. I have not. I refer to the feminist scholars: Friedmann, Steinem and so on and so forth. Of course, you have the right to redefine feminism as you want, the same way I can redefine communism, saying that it is the ideology who favors free enterprise and small government.

In our society, feminism has become a word aplicable to anything. Equity feminism, gender feminism, ifeminism. Christina Hoff Sommers (author of "Who stole feminism?") defines herself as feminist, although her ideas are opposed to those of mainstream feminism.

Feminism can rail agains objectification of women's body. At the same time, a woman can appear naked on the media, telling that showing her body is the expression of his feminism.

It has become taboo saying that one is not feminist or anti-feminist. It is like saying "I am against women", so people define themselves as feminists and then they redefine the word as it suits them

That does not mean that I think that woman are the same as men in all ways.

No feminist thinks that. They think they are different but these differences are social and, specifically, based on oppression, discrimination, etc.

Please take a class on Women's Studies instead of telling things that are not true about feminism.

I'm a feminist. I believe that women are morally equal to men, and that we deserve to be treated with the same respect and given the same opportunities as men.

I am not feminist and I think the same as you. Does this make me feminist? Of course not. Even Brighstar is for equal opportunities. Is Brightstar a feminist?

If feminists fought for the same opportunities between men and women, they would have fought because child custody were not given in the divorce courts to the mother in 90% of cases. Were are the Broadsheet posts claiming against the discrimination of fathers in divorce courts?

If feminist wanted equal opportunities, they would fought because there were the same percentage of women in mining, dangerous jobs, police, army, prison (where men are the majority). Instead of this, they are always seeing that the politicians are mostly male and screaming "discrimination" (Hint: for each male politician, there are a thousand of male losers. Other hint: Women are the majority and elect the politicians)

Yesteryear feminist women fought against men's outperforming in academy. I supported this fight because it was fair. Now that academy is reformed to suit women's natural advantages and most colleges degrees are from women, there's no need to fight for equality. It is that women are "better" than men (it is a coincidence than most Nobel prizes and the inventors of everything you know are men).

When prostate cancer is granted fifty times less funding than breast cancer (although the numbers of the dead by both types or cancers are similar), where are the feminists fighting for equality?

Let's get real. Feminism is an ideology to get a better deal for women regardless of fairness. In areas when men have advantage, feminism try to level the field or invert this trend. In areas where women have advantage, women's privileges are maintained or widened.

We want equal opportunities.

You may want this but feminism is not about equal opportunites, as I said

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 02:03 PM

@jebldmm

Also, 80% of spending is made by women. Is this inequality fought by feminism? Of course, not.

But it is the so-called gender gap in salaries (which is not real but a myth, read "Why men earn more").

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 02:08 PM

TanyaVision

I was wondering about that too- the numbers I've seen is more like 1 in 1,000 but that is still pretty prominent occurrence. It used to be that doctors and parents would take their best guess and do ‘corrective surgery’ very early so they could ‘settle’ on a gender for their child. I’d say that is unethical too. But at least from what I’ve read it is no longer –depending where you are of course- de rigueur anymore.

I do hope if that were the case with this child or another where a parent respected that fact that they shouldn’t make the determination for their child- especially absent any other useful information - that rather than saying we won’t say they would say we don’t know. Holding out the information is playing against expectations but not necessarily in a healthy way- you are still making gender the center of the child’s life by reinforcing or trying to deny or ignore it. A parent in that situation could do more for intersex people as advocates - by talking about the reality of it.

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 02:12 PM

No experiments on children!

I think this is an interesting experiment but I wouldn't do it with a child of mine. Who knows what attitudes the infant will develop! H/s may feel deprived, perhaps end up feeling isolated and alienated, or worse yet, become a transvestite......not that I condone forcing a gender role down the throat of any toddler which in itself may lead to confusion about one's sexuality! My baby would not be a guinea pig.

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 02:13 PM

@ imnobody

You forgot to mention that so many "feminists" are fully in favor of genital mutilation when performed on MALES ONLY, but see it as a horrible crime against humanity that we must prevent when performed on FEMALES.

That's always nice and incendiary.

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 02:15 PM

Reading comprehension

'Pop' knows Pop's gender. The parents and any other caregivers know Pop's gender. If Pop wanted to tell people what gender s/he is, then s/he can (or will be able to, once s/he learns to talk).

All these parents are doing is preventing strangers from imposing gender norms on an infant.

Seriously, people. This is not *at all* analogous to gender-(re)assignment surgery.

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