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Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:00 AM

Supreme Court rules strip-search of 13-year-old illegal

Justices find that school officials violated teen's right to privacy

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:55 AM

8-1?

Who was the one, and on what basis was the dissent?

Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:57 AM

Child Sex Abuse.

So, when do the authorities involved get placed on the National Sex Offender Registry and are removed from positions where they deal with or come in contact with minors?

You really think it was about two ibuprofen pills?

How about some jail time for the perverts?

Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:58 AM

8 - Thomas

The AP article linked in the posting indicates It was Thomas and that he felt previous decisions had given school districts great amounts of leeway.

I can't state for a fact, but Thomas probably does not believe in a right to privacy in the Constitution and, right or wrong, probably voted consistent with that belief.

I should have researched a bit before posing the question.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:58 AM

One good decision, one bad

Good decision: acknowledging that children and teens have legal rights, a right to privacy, and a right to be protected from *unjust* search and seizure, even when at school. As a public school teacher, do I want students searched for weapons? Of course, *when necessary*. But do I want some 13-year-old humiliated and her parents not notified because of some *ibuprofen* (which, having been a 13-year-old girl, I suspect she was taking for the bad *cramps* which are common at that age)? Absolutely not. A lot of kids in this generation hate school because it has become equivalent to prison, except with poorer food, libraries and work-out equipment than your average penal institution.

Bad decision: the asst. principal should have called the parents, and s/he should be personally punished. Each time an educator pulls some crap like this, it makes it harder for the rest of us to assert legitimate, reasonable authority.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:59 AM

The Lone Dissenter

Had to be Clarence Thomas.

If Vegas were offering odds on this, Thomas would be the 1:1 favorite, with the 'field' coming in at 3:1.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:00 AM

My dear Dale,

Pubic hair.

Coke cans.

You figure it out.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:01 AM

Dale

Your sentence would also be correct if phrased as "Thomas probably does not believe in the Constitution"

Scalia too.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:02 AM

and this is why

a few women on the court are helpful.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:09 AM

Dead-on, something stinks

Child Sex Abuse.

So, when do the authorities involved get placed on the National Sex Offender Registry and are removed from positions where they deal with or come in contact with minors?

You really think it was about two ibuprofen pills?

How about some jail time for the perverts?

-- something stinks

Like all sex crimes, it was about power and how to abuse it to intimidate and humiliate someone vulnerable.

Immediately arrest and prosecute the adults who searched her; the adults who ordered her searched; the adults who knew about it but failed to call the police to report sex abuse (as mandatory reporters they have also committed the crime of failure to report); the adults who prevented her from calling her parents, a lawyer or the police, and everybody in that fucking little shithole of a town who thought this was a good idea.

Then, confiscate every dime they've got to pay for that poor child's lifetime of therapy.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:13 AM

I heard Totenburg's report on the oral arguments a couple months ago

The tenor of the questions and answers made it seem like the outcome was going to be the opposite. Glad it turned out this way, though.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:14 AM

This was not a win

Despite the 8-1 verdict it was not really a win. The court did not stop strip searches in school with there ruling all they did was to stop strip searches in school for legal and semi legal drugs and have left the door wide open on the question if administrators can strip search for weed or another evil drug. Never mind that ruling that administrators are not personally libel basically means they can do what ever the hell they want with out fear of penalty.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:20 AM

Juliebird

and this is why

a few women on the court are helpful.

Why would you believe that? Take Sotomayor for example where there is already evidence that she does not believe in the rights of students see Doninger v. Niehoff.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:24 AM

Correction...

"The strip-search occurred when Savana Redding, who is now a college student, was at 8th grader at Safford Middle School in the rural Arizona town of Safford."

should read "was an 8th grader at."

The grammar nazi has spoken :D

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:26 AM

Re: Correction

Thanks for catching the typo. I just made the fix.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:35 AM

@The Jim

Yes. Ruling that a high school has the right to deny a belligerent student from running for class president is *exactly* the same as strip-searching a 13yo girl for a hidden ibuprofin.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:47 AM

Yes, it was Thomas

This is from Reuters: Only Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from the part of the ruling that Redding's privacy rights had been violated.

Thomas said the ruling "grants judges sweeping authority to second-guess the measures that these officials take to maintain discipline in their schools and ensure the health and safety of the students in their charge."

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:58 AM

From the mouth of C Thomas, (per CNN)

"Preservation of order, discipline and safety in public schools is simply not the domain of the Constitution," he said. "And, common sense is not a judicial monopoly or a constitutional imperative."

F@cking idiot.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:00 PM

School

Public school administrator is yet another post, like politicians and policeman, that should be filled with a draft. No one who wants to be one should be allowed. Their motives are automatically questionable.

A strip search for Ibuprofen should be treated like the sex crime that it is. My guess is that no one even lost their job over it. These assholes tend to stick together.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:05 PM

If they had instead found some pot in her panties...

...then, according to this ruling, this perverted insanity would've been considered "reasonable".

Indeed, they might even have been "justified" to "go deep on her".

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Agent Fleming: Agent Hurly, I want you to give this scumbag a cavity search. I'm talking Roto-Rooter. Don't stop until you reach the back of his teeth.

--Beavis and Butt-Head Do America (1996)

Our country is in serious trouble when stripping a little girl in school is not seen on its face as a criminal act.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:18 PM

Ibuprofen

Schools need to calm the hell down about stuff like this. When I was in high school in the mid- to late 90s, they also had a "zero tolerance" policy about OTC drugs like this. If you needed to bring prescription meds, you could drop them off at the office and go take them when necessary, but you were not allowed to bring in anything like Tylenol or ibuprofen or even cough drops, and of course the teachers were barred from distributing them. As a teenager who suffered from frequent, and often severe, menstrual cramps myself, that simply wasn't going to fly. I always had a stash of Midol with me (with the full knowledge and encouragement of my parents), which I kept in the change purse of my wallet. To take them, I'd go into a bathroom stall, take a couple out and put them in my mouth, and then go immediately to the water fountain and swallow-- a ridiculous amount of sneaking around just to be able to take a run-of-the mill pain pill. Never got caught, but if I had my parents told me to inform the school that they, my parents, had encouraged me to bring them and that the school could take it up with them. If they had pulled any nonsense like this, I suspect my dad would still be in prison from the brutal beating he would have inflicted upon the idiots who did it.

That said, even if they were looking for meth I still think they were way the hell out of bounds. These people are not the cops. The more we allow them to carry on like they are, the worse things are going to get. I think it's a travesty that these morons will remain unpunished.

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