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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:00 AM

Bad week for repro rights

Virginia and Arizona tighten state abortion laws

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 04:45 PM

Mostly cosmetic

Virginia's statute appears to track federal law, or at least attempts to do so. The Arizona bill requires that the existing consent form now be notarized, and extends punishment for participating in a banned procedure from one year to two. Odds are that it would be impossible to ever get a conviction under this law in any case.

More interesting question is to see if a test case can be developed for the 24-hour waiting period law, especially since Arizona is so rural. This could eventually provide a good win for abortion rights under a due process challenge.

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 05:06 PM

Obama's big lie of FOCA should be the topic here!

Obama chocked on his lie about passing FOCA. This is what Broadsheet should write about every day until they put pressure on dem/dem/dem govt. to get this done!

But no, piecemeal women are chopped up and On and On goes Obama love here. Tracy in your agitation against Hillary, did not not consider she would never call abortion a "moral tradedy" as Obama has and will continue to do so.

The 3rd Wave is FAIL wave. Time for 4th Wave to push onward.

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 05:20 PM

Yawn!

With the widespread availability of all kinds of birth control, including keeping your legs closed, people are losing interest in the argument for abortion. My prediction, abortion will no longer be a right by 2020. It really is about murdering black babies. Racism has taken a back seat in liberal land to the massive profits they can make via stimuli packages.

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 05:43 PM

jack and jill

Hillary Clinton has long been roundly critisized for being to moderate on choice:

http://www.ontheissues.org/social/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

Her standard statement is the abortion should be safe, legal and rare. Her and Obama's postion are basically the same- and incidentally in line with the majority of Americans.

I am adamently pro-choice and I believe fundamentalists on either end of the spectrum are screwing up the debate for everyone else.

It is also funny to see PUMAs insist that Hillary would be so much more liberal on this or that when she has always been a dead center, technocratic, DLC loving moderate. You folks are just tiresome.

Wednesday, June 24, 2009 09:56 PM

Obama gives us a abortion maybe on SC and Obot women spend time faulting Hillary.

@ celinaSF

says:

Hillary Clinton has long been roundly critisized for being to moderate on choice:

Her standard statement is the abortion should be safe, legal and rare.

MY Goodness, are not you cute CelinaSF.

What a shock that a candidate talks moderate to get elected in this center right country. Hmmm, what to go on...campain talk:

Obama:"the first thing I'll do is pass FOCA." or actions...

Hillary's decades of work on behalf of women's rights. you are cute indeed Celina if you think that Hillary would nominate a big fat maybe on abortions rights to the Supreme Court. You are cute to think that Hillary would ever call abortion a "moral tragedy."

What is tiring is cute girz who are Blind to the factual faults of Obama (oh yes let's talk about his pick of an anti-choice to head the DNC), but willing to fault a women who's given you no reason to fault her on this issue.

Obama's pick to head my party of choice is busy fundign anti-choice pregnancy crisis centers. oh you are cute Celina and i bet you have a poster of Obama with lipstick kisses all over his forhead. But ducking the reality of Obama's documented faults to find potential faults in Hillary is just plain..dumb.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 06:34 AM

Parental notification / Approval

If you are under 18, you have to get permission for a tattoo, medical treatment of any kind, prescription drugs, etc.

So why should a non-trivial procedure like abortion be an exception?

People should advocate for increased freedom for youngsters to take responsibility for all of their medical needs, if they are also going to be against parental notification.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 08:48 AM

Permission denied: you will be forced to give birth to my grandchild

Commrade asks:

If you are under 18, you have to get permission for a tattoo, medical treatment of any kind, prescription drugs, etc.

So why should a non-trivial procedure like abortion be an exception?

That, dear Commrade is easy. It is far more of a health risk to take a pregnacy to term than a simple pregancy termination procedure. The earlier the better. This is not rocket science: the longer one makes a young girl wait for a terminations procedure the more risk to the girl.

Don't be coy, it is never cute to act stupid or coy. Permission is all about coersion and contron of our young women.

It has zip to do with their well-being. and you know this. Parents of a pregnant teen have a too-big-to-ignore conflict of interest. Their genetic legacy is at risk if their daughter terminates. This conflict of interest is intolerable. Permission denied: you will be forced to give birth (against your will) to my grandchild. Please. this is not about the child's health; it is about controling women and genetic dynasties.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:53 AM

Permission Not Required for Treatment

If you are under 18, you have to get permission for a tattoo, medical treatment of any kind, prescription drugs, etc.

Nonsense. Walk into any emergency room with a life-threatening condition (like a pregnancy, for example) and you don't need any proof or permission of anything whatsoever to get treatment.

Thursday, June 25, 2009 01:20 PM

You Nearly Nailed It

Jack and Jill, you nearly nailed it. But you left out the idiotic and "ideotic" part of the picture. All this authoritarian, ignorant, and selfish crap is ideologically based also.

I think it is time we considered our young people and give them an official ombudsman to take their part in parental disputes. Not all parents are born equal to the task of raising children. Such an office should definitely cover a young person's right to his or her own medical decisions. Something like Child Protective Service except better funded and more sophisticated.

There ought to be a test parents must take, in case of a dispute with their children, that will demonstrate the degree to which their attitudes are guided by delusion and selfishness, and the extent of their understanding of medical science and the concept of Democracy (rule of law is paramount). Their scores on this should determine how much or how little their wishes should influence the outcome in any dispute. The child's welfare should certainly outweigh the attitudes of selfish, deluded, ignorant parents.

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