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Monday, August 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Wanted: "Ugly ducklings"

The "beauty disadvantaged" are invited to flock to Mount Isa, where they'll be treated as swans.

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Monday, August 18, 2008 01:43 PM

Vice-Versa

Is there a place I can move to where there's five women for every man?

Monday, August 18, 2008 01:48 PM

Only if you want to confirm that you hit every branch on the way down from the ugly tree.

Honestly, I know I should be enraged about this, but every time I hear it it just makes me laugh. Does this guy really think he's ENCOURAGING women when he says, "We'll take anybody! We don't care!"

Monday, August 18, 2008 01:55 PM

Sounds Great!

Sign me up! Equal opportunities for all!

Monday, August 18, 2008 02:13 PM

It's not PC, but what exactly is so wrong about this?

Look, I realize in the fantasy world of SOME feminists, humans choose romantic partners solely based on their views on hyperinflation & quantum theory, the last 5 books they have read, etc. and not at all based on physical attraction...

But in the reality for the rest of us, there are a few beautiful people and many average/plain people...and our ability to find sex and love is, to a large extent, dictated by our abilities to find people who are at least somewhat physically attracted to us (personality, intelligence etc. being part of but NOT the whole equation).

So for an average-looking or even unattractive woman seeking a relationship in an area / scenario where there are more attractive females, odds are she not be as successful as if she were in an area where females are scarce.

Is this really so pitiful? Or necessarily misogynistic in some way?

I think the mayor's choice of words was cringe-worthy...but his heart and intentions were in the right place.

Beggars are not choosers. And as someone who's experienced loneliness, I think it's pretty cruel for Tracy and other women to mock the men of Mount Isa for desiring female companionship of some kind.

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One final point: I'm guessing from looking at her pic/video that Tracy is considered attractive, beautiful, yada yada yada; does she have any context of what life is like for a non-beautiful adult female?

I wonder how this plays into her scorn of the mayor's pleas; can we hear some responses about this from non-traditionally attractive women?

Monday, August 18, 2008 02:31 PM

Hard to say

I suppose if some woman, ugly or not, actually goes to Mount Isa and finds companionship there--something she couldn't have at home--then it's not worse than a dating service. I agree that the mayor could have framed it better; but if lonely women are desperately looking through internet personal ads, dating websites, whatever, why shouldn't they go there?

Was the mayor's intention disrespectful to women? Only inasmuch as he assumed that they all want to find a man. (I suppose ugly lesbians need not apply? :-) If a woman is not so desperate about finding masculine company, if she's concentrating on her studies or career for a while, there's no need. The mayor should have thought about these women.

But then again... It's hard to live without the feeling of companionship. Although some people really are misanthropes and want to live alone--and I respect their choice--, most aren't like that. Most heterosexual women too, I suppose. To these women, the mayor wasn't really disrespectful; just blunt.

I end up agreeing that his heart may be in the right place, though his words could have been better chosen.

Monday, August 18, 2008 02:39 PM

Desperation vs. Ego

Does this guy really think he's ENCOURAGING women when he says, "We'll take anybody! We don't care!"

I've wondered this myself. Do ugly people know they're ugly, or does everyone to some extent lie to themselves and push away such uncomfortable thoughts in order to go on living? The people likely to be reading this probably have a somewhat high standard for personal dignity, but I'd imagine that there are plenty of women out there for whom desperation trumps ego, and that these women would take him up on the offer even if it means admitting to themselves that they are unattractive and desperate.

Is it sexist? I doubt it. If anything, it probably sucks more for the men who are so desperate that they are advertising for ugly women. Let's please just admit the following: there are people of both genders who are simply unattractive by virtually any standard you choose to apply, regardless of "stereotypes" and "the media", and these people will have a harder time finding mates. Yes, it sucks, and yes, it's totally unfair, but society is under no obligation to annihilate all standards of beauty just so they can feel better about themselves. Blame nature. Maybe someday we'll be able to genetically engineer everyone to be at least moderately attractive. But the Christians will howl, and feminists will probably say it's sexist. So I don't see what the solution is.

Monday, August 18, 2008 02:44 PM

I agree with Lonewolfy

I'm attracted to people more by the personality and intelligence, but I know that makes me kind of abnormal. For most people aren't attracted to people who they don't consider good-looking for some reason, and it makes it hard for both men and women who aren't conventionally good-looking to get as much play.

I would probably caution a friend who might want to move to a town with those demographics for those reasons. You know, the whole "the odds are good, but the goods are odd" kind of thing.

P. S. I felt the need to weigh in although I consider myself attractive because I'm vain.

Monday, August 18, 2008 02:50 PM

Completely unfair, as usual

I love it. The women of Salon are nothing if not consistent. If you happen to be a miner in Mt. Isa, the nearest town of any size at all is Darwin, which is six hundred miles away. In the real world, in which men are actual human beings instead of political or emotional pawns, being alone in a mining town six hundred miles out in the middle of nowhere must be excruciatingly lonely -- a kind of hell. Imagine spending month after month after month completely isolated in a place like that. You're looking at a twelve-hour round trip drive simply to see a woman. And because this marketing effort is politically incorrect, apparently you are supposed to just suck it up and suffer.

Monday, August 18, 2008 03:19 PM

So what exactly is the problem?

Available men and women looking for each other in Australia can have a decent shot in Mt. Isa; is this correct? If lonely men are seeking companionship and aren't restricted by any conventional sense of beauty (shouldn't women applaud this?) then I would think women seeking the same would be well off to go there.

I don't get the "ugly" thing and the jabs in the article about eventually needing plastic surgery. How ugly are we talking? Rarely in my life have a I come across people who are so extensively atrocious looking that I couldn't imagine how they go about finding a partner or that a little mini makeover couldn't fix.

Most people (aside from misanthropic hermits) do want someone to share their life with. And men are sensitive creatures who need love and companionship just as much as women do. That's kinda why they're made for each other.

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