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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 12:00 AM

Is Carly Fiorina secretly working for Obama?

Top McCain advisor says "women would like a choice."

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 06:21 AM

Could be

After all she's ALSO a secret Muslim.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 06:24 AM

You made a mistake with your title

"Is Carly Fiorina a ethics free bottom feeding piece of scum who is a perfect match for McCain/Bush but we have to pretend is some sort of feminist icon and can't criticise because she is a women?"

There, fixed it for you.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 06:49 AM

Oh a woman!

I know all the women at BS are just so ecstatic over Carly. She’s a woman! She’s powerful! She’s a CEO! But let’s put things in perspective. Carly Fiorina presided over the worst downward slide in HP’s entire history. She was asked to resign by the board of directors. HP stock jumped up almost 10% when she did.

In a way, Carly is a lot like Hillary. Her supporters care more that she is female than they do about her abilities.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 07:04 AM

"Women would like a choice" does not mean what you think it means

Carla's comment is consistent with McCain's general position on health insurance. "Women would like a choice" does not mean "Women and men should be compelled to pay for insurance that covers birth control and Viagra."

McCain believes that insurance companies shouldn't be required to cover any particular ailment (counting pregnancy as an ailment). He believes that insurance companies should be allowed to sell insurance covering as little (or as much) as they like. Women would get to choose insurance that covers birth control but not Viagra. Men would get to choose insurance that covers Viagra but not birth control. People who need dialysis but neither Viagra nor birth control would get to buy insurance that covers dialysis but not Viagra or birth control.

This is, in fact, a position that's attractive on the face (choice!) but pretty obviously bad once you think about it -- my suggested slogan for the McCain campaign. The results would be that only people who need birth control would buy insurance that covers birth control, so the price would have to include birth control. Only people who need Viagra would buy insurance that covers Viagra, so the price for that insurance would have to include the cost of Viagra. Only people who need dialysis would buy kidney failure insurance, so the price for that insurance would have to include the cost of dialysis. You'd wind up with essentially no insurance coverage for chronic conditions -- if you need the coverage you have to pay for the treatment cost.

Insurance -- risk pooling -- is a good thing. I'd like to see everyone have insurance, probably through a single non-profit entity directly responsible to the people.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 07:04 AM

@Al Bania

"Carly Fiorina presided over the worst downward slide in HP’s entire history. She was asked to resign by the board of directors. HP stock jumped up almost 10% when she did."

And if you talk to people in HP, they'll tell you that she made it harder for different departments to work with each other, too.

But these are FACTS, silly boy, and Broadsheeters never let facts get in the way of a good chance to pump their righteous fists in the air and teach the boys who's boss! GRRRRL PWR!!!! WHOOT!

Your puny male brain is simply too Neanderthal to understand. Go swing your club or hunt wildebeest or something, you rapist bastard!

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 07:48 AM

Grok

Not a weighty comment, but, shades of Michael Valentine Smith. I love it when someone uses it, so succinct.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 07:58 AM

If Fiorina can do for McCain

what she did for HP, Obama may as well start planning his inaugural gala now.

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 09:47 AM

any woman whom supports both " choice" and also supports " john mc coathanger" ; had better go and read NARAL's comments!

www.naral.org/johnmccain that says it all as for women whom support john mc jerk and " choice"! [ did anyone say " pro-life" and anti-lesbian marriage?] and , after reading that , or maybe one of the very few intellegent women's magazines out there, MS. and Bitch; the article titled " flower grandma" in this past winter's Ms. ; is the best place to start. [ interesting story about how abortions were performed before roe v wade- speak of " coathangers" (:] after reading that, if they still are dumb enough to vote for john mc jerk?? I pity them if they even think that this @sshole will support their right to choose. and so , if this woman carly fiorina, still supports mc cain, she has to be a brain dead idiot brainwashed by some evangelical church; like those " revolutionary modern feminists" whom belong to the women's organization called " concerned women for america"! factoring out the HILLARY equation as obama definitely won I could see where this chick would be " secretly" endorsing OBAMA!

Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:55 AM

Not really

Somehow I don't think so.

From Thinkprogress.org

Last night on Bloomberg TV, McCain economic adviser Carly Fiorina repeated the laughable claim first offered by McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin that Sen. Barack Obama — not John McCain — would be a third Bush term. Fiorina said:

I think if you look at the record, it may be Barack Obama who is running for Bush III. But it certainly is not John McCain.

I still get a kick out of hearing the Repubs. dissing their once beloved Commander-in-Chief.

Thursday, July 10, 2008 07:10 AM

I hope not

I tried, for a long time, to like Carly Fiorina. She gave a nice commencement speech at MIT in 2000, and I really tried to give her the benefit of the doubt at HP.

But in the end, I find her to not be a very compelling figure- she really didn't do a good job at HP.

Even tough she's the heavy in the crowd, I think there are many other female business leaders that are much worthier than Ms. Fiorina. Meg Whitman come to mind, of course. And Anne M. Mulcahy has done a pretty good job in a transformed industry at Xerox.

Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:49 PM

Viagra vs. birth control

I can understand why an insurance plan would cover Viagra but not birth control pills. Impotence is an unnatural condition. Maybe you can even call it a disease that one can suffer from. Pregnancy is a natural state. In other words, Viagra restores the natural status of the individual and "the pill" alters the natural status.

That said, I am not saying I agree, but that might very well be the logic.

Thursday, July 10, 2008 02:22 PM

IT MUST BE 'OMG" DAY HERE AT SALON!

OMG. Yet another feisty, strong, powerful, educated woman who dares to speak to her mind when it contradicts the man she is supposed to "step aside for."

She can't possibly be working for Obama. He just flip-flopped once more this week with his position on late-term abortion. Neither Obama nor McCain care a damn about women. This isn't about women. This is about THEM. And what they feel THEY deserve.

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