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Monday, July 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Turks gone wild!

Women protest an exhibitionism conviction by showing some skin.

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Monday, July 7, 2008 01:42 PM

And on a different topic...

Are you all just not going to write about the Jezebel fiasco?

Monday, July 7, 2008 01:56 PM

I like that the fisherman spoke up for them.

in the BBC article: "I don't think anyone should be arrested because of their clothing. People cross this bridge wearing all sorts of things," one of the fishermen said.

"But unfortunately there is conservative pressure on people now because we have a religious government."

Tuesday, July 8, 2008 05:32 AM

What can you expect...

from 'TURKS' who even now can not admit to the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE??? WHERE 100'S-OF-THOUSANDS WERE MASSACRED AT SASUM AND ELSEWHERES!!! No 'exhibitionsim' for the 'TURKS' showing some skin by women - but plenty of historical as well as present-day CRUELTY.

Tuesday, July 8, 2008 08:08 AM

Wild in Istanbul?

"Turks gone wild?" is an ignorant piece. The drift is evidently that under the current religious government, women's freedoms to dress as they wish are being restricted.

Not having been born in Turkey, my own drift will also be ignorant; still, my 15 years in Istanbul might lend some validity to a more nuanced perspective.

Every political party with any weight in this country is conservative. The 2 major parties resemble a Colonel Sanders chicken -- two right wings. AK Party, by far the largest, is conservative in a religious manner and is also widely suspected of being liked by George Bush. Bush would be lucky to win 5% of the vote if he were on the ballot here, but AK last year gained 47%. If democracy counts for anything, it ought to entail some respect for AK Party.

The BBC story regrettably doesn't tell us much about how the woman arrested for flimsy clothing was clad. My guess is that her dress was pretty daring or the wind that lifted it was pretty high. For all we know she'd have gotten a warning from a New York cop. You can see short skirts and plunging necklines in any neighborhood you choose in Istanbul. This city was cosmopolitan, after all, when Washington and New York were only gleams in the eyes of the Pilgrims. We're not talking about Iran, after all; there are hundreds of bars and clubs within walking distance of Galata Bridge.

The story gives no sense of the social and political currents now flowing through this country. CHP, the next largest party and the fierce opponent of AK Party, is on some counts more conservative than AK, but nonreligiously. It's CHP rather than AK Party that makes a point of restricting women's freedom to dress as they wish. CHP's policy is not to allow women who cover their heads to attend universities. So it is that women are used as tools in the power struggles taking place in Turkey.

If your sympathies are with democracy and left-of-center politics, you're likely to feel torn about AK Party, you're likely to find little to cheer you in CHP, and you're likely to look a long time to find any influential party to identify with. You probably won't choose an Islamicist hotel to stay in, but unlike this article's author you probably won't begrudge an owner the right to create such a hotel. You probably won't dress like certain serious Muslim women or again like their flirtaceous nightdress-clad opposite numbers, but you'll be inclined to cut both some slack since after all it's their own clothes ...

But perhaps it's best to let your British or American sympathies float a little free here, and be somewhat less prescriptive than you otherwise might. Otherwise, like me, you'll have a hard time appreciating the way issues of women's clothing are the tip of an iceberg that is now and will be well into the future buffetted by extremely complex currents. If you resolve to take this country on its own terms, and if you then look hard enough, you'll come to respect the unique way the people of this land are ever so slowly resolving fundamental issues of secularity, human rights, democracy, gender, and power.

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