Letters to the Editor
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walter_map,
Go fuck yourself. I have been posting here for years and am a progressive Obama supporter who ALSO happens to think that slamming any person you don't like by appealing to other people's lizard-brain-level prejudices is REGRESSIVE. Don't even fucking try to call me a neocon.
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Let's all take a moment to remember a few things
"inevitable"
"they're attacking me because I'm ahead"
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
threatening to "totally obliterate (Iran)"
I think the 'dark stain' we've uncovered is how erractic and foolish she can be.
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@walter_map
Clintonites would prefer to drag the Democratic party down by complaining loudly and pretentiously about 'sexism' and 'misogyny'.
What about us pretentious Obamaites who are here complaining about 'sexism' and 'misogony'? Do you have a snappy angle to dismiss our perspective too?
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@Michael B.
"Re: Sagcat - I appreciate your attempt to use a gender neutral term, but how in the world could "prick" be gender neutral? Only men can be pricks."
Because I waved my magic wand and made it so, specifically by stating that I was addressing all of my fellow Obama supporters and trying to make some light on the gender-neutral put-down debate.
Sorry. I thought I was funny. Then again, I frequently do.
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helpful images
ok, so the deadbeat dad thing was a limb and i'm not trying to defend that.
however, i'm still not getting the argument clockwork smurf....
even if these characterizations of clinton were used as "helpful images" to "frame their opinion of her in a helpful way" don't they also already diminish her status as a serious presidential candidate by framing her in not only a gender-specific but demeaning light?
and i am not aware of examples of cheney being called a dick in mainstream media-these characterizations about clinton, based in an implied hatred of women, stand on their own as indicative of commentators opinion of her. I have yet to see a political round table where they state that well, cheney's a dick. maybe he won't be seen on the republican campaign trail. and leave it at that-the characterization that he's a dick being enough of an explanation to frame their discussion.
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melthough
Go fuck yourself.
Thanks for conceding my point.
Not only could you not argue against it, you had to get rabid to distract from the fact that you could not argue against it.
Score another for me.
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@walter_map
Forging unity has to work both ways, and we have to give allowances for their huge disappointment that their candidate lost. They are going through denial and lashing out, yes, but lashing back doesn't end the sniping.
Rise above, man, rise above.
Make peace, or we're looking at President McCrazyAss.
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re: Sagcat
I thought your original post was funny and I liked your response too. I'm just being a dick about word definitions. To my mind, prick is equivalent to dick, cock or any other penis-related terms.
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zoobee
What about us pretentious Obamaites who are here complaining about 'sexism' and 'misogony'? Do you have a snappy angle to dismiss our perspective too?
You're certainly not getting behind the Democratic nominee by continuing to complain about 'sexism' and 'misogony', now are you? Doesn't that drag down Obama? Isn't that it's purpose?
Maybe you're not really 'Obamaites'. Maybe that's just a cover.
You tell me.
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misogyny certainly exists, but...
I don't think misogyny is as much of a factor in Hillary's downfall as many people seem to think.
Hillary herself was the problem, and not because she's a woman. She ran a sloppy, complacent campaign that never reckoned on a serious challenge. She probably had some contingencies in place in case John Edwards showed some strength, but I would bet that she completely discounted Barack Obama as a possible future phenomenon but no one to be concerned with for 2008.
Hillary also hired people to run her campaign who turned out to be incompetent.
When she fell behind, she quickly turned into the kind of desperate candidate who will pander to any crowd, and she has a hard time sounding genuine. That's not because she's a woman -- it's because she has had serious credibility problems dating back to her mysteriously reappearing law firm records, if not before.
Hillary had a legitimate chance to wrap up this nomination early on, and she missed every opportunity to do so. If she can't run a competent campaign, it's a fair question whether she'd be able to run a country. And again -- not because she's a woman, but because her executive skills have been called into serious question.
As for all of the stupid, sexist, pigheaded things that have been said, written, and printed on T-shirts: that stuff was always there. It had just retreated to the dark recesses of society for a while, and it took a strong female presidential candidate to bring it out. If you think it'll go away when Obama secures the nomination, sorry, but all it'll do is draw itself back into the shadows.
It's despicable, but it's there, just like racism, and it usually only comes out when it sees a chance for an easy strike. Chasing misogyny and racism into the shadows was a good first step for our society, and now that they find little solace out in the light, we have a chance to raise new generations in a world that doesn't accept such ideas. Hopefully it won't take too many generations for that kind of irrational hatred to be consigned to the dustbin.
In the meantime, though, we'll have to deal with some pretty stupid T-shirts.
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So....
Sexism, racism, classism, xenophobia, religious intolerance and all of that are still alive and well in the U.S.
Shocking.
Let's argue about which is worse! Let's argue about the minute permutations of language of a reflection of each! Let's get really, really angry at each other and then go off and sulk in our corners until January when we realize that yet another Republican is POTUS! Then we can start a big round of which "ism" is most at fault!
Oh joy!