Letters to the Editor
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you should be able to determine someone who is trafficked...bruises...unwillingness...other men around her maybe harassing or beating her..and thats the same with men and boys who are stolen...
so...yeah...you go through with having sex with a prostitute...which on its own is scummy...you are committing a crime...
especially if that person has no say in the deal....
thats fuckin forced entry....RAPE
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How about this for a slogan...
..."If you're man enough, you neither pay for it nor force it on anyone"?
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Rapists
If a man has sex with a drug-addicted sex worker, or a prostitute who has an abusive pimp, is he a rapist?
Different jurisdictions have different interpretations of the law, but in Britain it is most unlikely that such a prosecution would succeed unless there were specific aggravating factors.
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one vertebra
"Not all johns are rapists, of course; and, I'm uncomfortable calling anyone who sleeps with a trafficked girl a rapist, even though she is being forced to have sex against her will."
Huh? Going out on a limb there Flory. Understandably, Flory feels "uncomfortable" about anything less than full pandering and red meat to her fan base. That comment almost sounded like an attempt at spine and reason. Like the effort FAUX News makes to be "fair and blanched."
While it's nice to see Flory attempting teetering upright locomotion for a change, one vertebra and thought don't constitute a spine or intellect. She'll surely be pandering and wallowing in the mud again soon enough.
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some thoughts
In a country where prostitution is legal, what reason is there to break the law by running a brothel other than exploitation of workers? Seriously, can anyone think of any other reason?
I'm all for making the johns think about what they're doing, or more accurately, who they're doing. It's not as if they're putting the guys in jail for rape, they're just trying to get them to think a little.
I'd like to hear from some guys on this subject, because the ability of a man to enjoy sex with a prostitute is something I've never understood in the first place. Most of the men I know say that it's important to them that their partners enjoy sex. The idea of a partner faking an orgasm would really bother them. Yet some of these same guys admit to having sex with prostitutes. They seem to manage by a sort of cognitive disconnect which doesn't allow them to admit that the woman wouldn't choose to have sex with them if she weren't paid.
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Difficult question? Really?
"For instance: If a man has sex with a drug-addicted sex worker, or a prostitute who has an abusive pimp, is he a rapist?"
Obviously not.
If a person does drugs are they a gang banger? If a person buys cheap goods from China, are they a child abuser?
That's not a very provocative question to anyone but perhaps BS fans. It also indicates incredible hypocrisy from Flory and lack of introspection because nobody really applies such harsh up/down standards to themselves. It's on par with Bush's moronically dualistic and terribly hypocritical world view of good/evil, with us/against us.
Whether it's an illegal trade like prostitution or drugs, or a legal trade like buying ordinary consumer goods, is irrelevant to the central question if one is considering personal responsibility for all acts, known or unknown, leading up to the patronage and consumption.
If one argues that the consumer is responsible for all acts leading up to their purchase, then by that logic we're all equivalent to child abusers, slavers, sanctioning rape and oppression, and so on. For that matter, following that moronically simplistic argument, because we've supported dictatorial regimes for oil in Iraq and elsewhere and funded proxy wars, then everyone who died in 9/11 would have deserved it and that would be just. It just leads to a moronically simplistic and hypocritical world view, which must continually evade the chicken and egg dilemma by finding new causes to be outraged about so as to avoid any complicated personal responsibility. Incredibly childish.
While it's good to try and be aware and conscious of consumption and the overall moral equation, part of that is also realizing we're all imperfect. Some do better than others in awareness of larger consequences. Some people are terribly harmful but blissfully ignorant. (take BS writers for example.)
Reasonable people understand there's a continuum of gray from those we'd condemn or criminalize, to those we'd praise and make saints of. We all have feet of clay so to speak.
That's the core problem with shrill ideologies such as faux feminism has become, which shares the same problems as racism, religious fundamentalism, and other politics based in cult loyalty and identity wars. Moronic simplicity which tends to be self defeating in the long run and just makes screechy hypocrites of followers.
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women also pay for sex, always havem and are doingin so in rapidly increasing numebrs as well.
Just to remind people of that since airheads like Flory like to pretend prostitution is always males paying females. Which plays into her faux feminism outrage.
In fact, some parts of the world are known for catering to female sex tourists from developed countries. From Cuba to Kenya it's reported to be very common, even though most agree it's actually very under reported.
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Trafficking might not be so lucrative if people were paying any attention at all
Let me just give Western men the benefit of the doubt and say that most of them probably don't want the prostitute they happen to be fucking at any given moment to have been sold into prostitution by her parents, lured there by false promises, or paying off a fake debt. Okay? So, given how many woman are working under such conditions, and how obvious it can be to suss that out, I am all for posters like these. Eyes wide open, friends.
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let's just say that was an intentional typo
...how many women, plural. The singular "woman" was for all women, or something meaningful like that.
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Hearing from men...
I'd like to hear from some guys on this subject, because the ability of a man to enjoy sex with a prostitute is something I've never understood in the first place. Most of the men I know say that it's important to them that their partners enjoy sex. The idea of a partner faking an orgasm would really bother them. Yet some of these same guys admit to having sex with prostitutes. They seem to manage by a sort of cognitive disconnect which doesn't allow them to admit that the woman wouldn't choose to have sex with them if she weren't paid.
Just like most married women wouldn't have sex with their husbands, except for being married to them.
The truth is that sex for pay is all that different from free sex. It can be a lot of fun, or it can be totally soulless and depressing.
If you look at the Web sites where men rate prostitutes it is quite clear that men prefer the former and try to avoid the latter.
No one wants to have sex with women who are trafficked or under the thumb of abusive pimps.
There is nothing wrong with this poster campaign raising awareness of trafficking and forced prostitution issues, and in fact it would be a good idea if all massage parlors where they are legal posted a free 1-800 number where people could report suspicions of forced prostitution, but I suspect they would hardly ever be used.
This BBC article recounts the experiences of three men and contains some useful discussion points.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7257623.stm