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Friday, May 2, 2008 12:00 AM

What happened to the D.C. Madam?

It was a news story that promised sensation and delivered -- but not in the way anyone thought.

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Sunday, May 4, 2008 03:06 PM

What About Her Little Black Book?

Has anybody heard what's become of her 'little black book' of potentially incriminating names and/or phone numbers? I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist. If her little black book turns up missing, however, I might begin to wonder. And I'd like to know more about the alleged suicide notes.

Sunday, May 4, 2008 12:28 PM

So you just totally ignore reasonable questions on Salon?

Ms. Hepola & Salon

It is now May 4th and you have not responded to a rather reasonable question. Is that how you treat your readership? You can't even be bothered to give a one sentence reply to a long-time loyal Salon reader? Even if it's just to say "sorry we disagree and stand by our piece."

It's truly unfortunate that so many major media outlets today have such a condescending and disdainful attitude toward their audience.

So anyway, I'll ask again: In retrospect, do you think the phrase "history of suicidal thought" was an accurate way of describing the mindset of the late Deborah Jean Palfrey? If so, what corresponding evidence could you show to confirm that Ms. Palfrey had a "history of suicidal thought"?

Given that this is someone who presumably has friends, relatives and acquaintances who are currently mourning her death and are concerned about the public perception of their deceased friend/loved one, do you feel confident that your categorization of Ms. Palfrey as an unstable woman who had a strong desire to take her own life is accurate and verifiable?

I humbly request a response to this reasonable question-- however brief that response may be. I ask this as a long-time reader/supporter of salon, as well as a journalist concerned with the truth.

Thank you in advance and I look forward to reading your response.

Most Sincerely

Rob Jacobs

Saturday, May 3, 2008 08:48 AM

SUICIDED

Read the Wayne Madsen Report online, there is more to this than a simple suicide.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 08:25 AM

Palfrey . . . was a tough lady,

There was a time when "lady" was a way to distinguish the upstanding from the whore. Those who didn't voluntarily sell sex for money, while at the same time claiming to be a/the victim.

Let's keep the fundamental paradigm in mind, please:

The man gives money, and gets sex, and the woman gets the money, and gets sex too.

Saturday, May 3, 2008 07:06 AM

Here is a woman who ratted out her customers

and she is complaining about cameras being shoved in her face. That is not what I call courage of convictions.

Friday, May 2, 2008 11:08 PM

True,

as long as there is a market for sex workers there will sex workers. But why defend a pimp just because the pimp is a madam?

She cried victim, but she was no more a victim than any other pimp.

Friday, May 2, 2008 07:36 PM

Excuse me but why are there no documents

Dan Moldea showed up out of nowhere and said to Time that she had suicidal thoughts but this hasn't been backed up by any other source so it's basically hearsay unless he can produce taped conversations that apparently would have happened before.

Also suicidal thoughts when you are being prosecuted or persecuted are not uncommon but actions are something else again. The whole set up is at least worthy of an investigation or the words "alleged" before an actual autopsy is performed.

But mostly the thing that looks most suspicious to me is that a writer shows up before the investigation is closed and confirms the theory that hasn't been proven yet while there is significant evidence to the contrary.

Couldn't we at least see a little reporting here? Or does everyone assume we know who Dan Moldea is when they report his name. I've seen him identified as an anti conspirist and a muckraker who loves conspiracies but what I haven't seen is any documentation that makes his statement anything other than hearsay. But there are numerous other recent sources with evidence that say the opposite.

I would just like to point out that this type of reporting is not the way to disprove a conspiracy theory.

Friday, May 2, 2008 06:14 PM

-- rojac6

You've already made a mistake by including Salon's BS as "journalism." Salon's BS is tabloid garbage masquerading as journalism. It's a very important distinction.

btw, So is most of our media tabloid garbage.

Friday, May 2, 2008 06:11 PM

servile women

I also have to add that prostitution is a rare "service industry" that upper class white faux feminists object to. It's also one of the smallest industries of work that could be considered degrading and immoral.

Many of the same faux feminists who claim prostitution is a moral outrage and criminal, are more than happy to have illegal immigrant women from countries that were former European colonies and literally enslaved, clean their toilets for slave wages and maintain a permanent servant class for generations.

I'm tired of the BS hypocrisy and propaganda idiots on both sides of the political divide are continually spewing. These vapid faux feminists are as bad as the religious nuts, or Moonies, or whatever other lunatics.

Friday, May 2, 2008 06:03 PM

misogyny?

Is it really "misogyny" to beat up on prostitutes and criminalize the oldest profession? Have only men been doing that?

Reality check: much of "feminism" has been doing that for decades. Criminalization of prostitution has always been driven by upper class white women who fear their husbands lack fidelity. For example, male dominated frontier towns like San Francisco had widespread prostitution and prostitutes were often wealthy and important social figures with political clout.

It was wealthy white women who drove the criminalization of prostitution, along with other "moral" movements such as Prohibition. Pandering morality "Feminists" have been on a proscriptive bender for well over a century.

How delusional can BS writers be? About as well informed as Moonies.

Friday, May 2, 2008 12:43 PM

Pendragon,

Thanks.

Friday, May 2, 2008 12:31 PM

OK Christopher 1988

I can live with your last post. I agree that she made her own choices and that, assuming she is guilty as the jury found her to be, she was knowingly breaking the law. If so, she has no basis to complain that the cops investigated and prosecuted her because they are just doing their jobs. I'll even go a step further than you and say that she was likely an exploiter of other women, possibly vulnerable women. After all, she was a pimp, not a prostitute.

But I didn't read the post the way you did. I got two main things out of the post: (1) I read the post as a complaint that this woman may have been subject to double standards based on her sex. I can't judge her claim to misogynist treatment by vice cops without knowing more specifics. But the trial certainly came off as an example of slut shaming while the johns were no where in sight. (2) I also read the post as expressing compassion for Palfrey. I think you can feel pity and compassion for someone, even while recognizing that that person may have made her own bed. I would likely feel compassion for anyone who commits suicide. The person would have to be unusually vicious for me not to feel some sense of pity.

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