Ah, so you've abandoned any repost to the whole "withholding sex" question?

Don't you worry your pretty little head about my personal life, stick to the issues at hand. Your resort to ad hominems makes my unstable, hysterical female self look positively placid.

Breaking up with someone, or rejecting them isn't what i meant by "withholding sex." I was talking about it within the context of a relationship...

When the guy is walking out on you for behaving unfairly towards him, you don't get to choose how you meant it.

If he's a real man, you're never seeing him again. You're taking you're chances in the dating pool again, and like you said, you're a shrew with no looks, so good luck with that one. You had your chance and you blew it.

You had your chance and you blew it.

Are you withholding sex from me already?

Oh please, walter map, go on a date with me! i'm so desperate, i pick on guys on anonymous forums on the internet, and brightstar has already rejected me so many times! and i'm not even an American woman, you'd think he'd be into that!

I'll even not bother you with my cat photos! PLEASE!!! YOU'RE THE MAN OF MY DREAMS, you stud you!

Lying doesn't improve your position.

Intentionally distorting and mocking what I posted only proves my point about your being a man-hating shrew.

No honesty in you, is there?

No one's lying here, but you, darlin.

You wrote: "The Reality Factor says that happily married women who are flexible givers, with high Interest Levels, never seem to get headaches or feel tired. How astonishing! In fact, these women chase their husbands around the coffee table after the kids go to sleep. She doesn't need any aphrodisiacs because he is respectful, affectionate and romantic."

And you also wrote: "I ain't chasin' 'em no more. She can chase me around the coffee table if she wants. Maybe I'll let her catch me. If I don't have a headache. Maybe I'll just withhold sex until she straightens out. Maybe."

Seems to me like this is talking about withholding sex within the context of a relationship, and, "until she straightens out." Doesn't seem to gel with your shifted goalpost of "A real man can pick up his hat, smile sweetly, politely say goodnight, and find himself a woman who isn't a man-hating shrew" and "If he's a real man, you're never seeing him again."

Get your story straight, my dear.

No one's lying here, but you, darlin.

Anybody can read the thread.

And any honest person will know you've made a fool of yourself.

Next.

Why do you think saying no to sex with a man is violating a social norm?

If I am reading you correctly, this man wouldn't let you out of the room (by locking the door) and had sex with you after you said no. That's rape. It really doesn't matter how terrible he said he felt about it afterward. Rapists are bad men. Period. Lots of rapists actually make a ritual of asking forgiveness. It is part of the signature of their crime.

If rapists are not bad men, what is your definition of a bad man?

Also, if a man is telling how good looking you are or how aroused he is excuses rape and you actually believe this, I really wonder what sort of culture you came from that you actually believe a man's "needs" trumps a woman's no.

Like Allie tried to tell you earlier, ugly women get raped all the time. Five year old girls with no breastes get raped. Old ladies past 70 get raped. Two years ago there was a rapist working my neighborhood that preyed upon elderly women. Rape is not about the particular victim. Rape is about finding a victim. In some men it is about finding any victim. I recently read any article that says that researchers are now learning that sex offenders do not specialize as much as they used to think. Many are total opportunists. They are just as interest in eight year olds as the are in eighteen year olds. They rub us against strange women to get aroused. Their daughters look attractive to them just because their daughters have available vaginas.

Prime candidates for rape? Female.

No I wasn't in that room and I don't know him and I don't know you, but I have known many victims of rape. I have also met with a rapist in the course of my work as a CASA. No one who met him would have thought he was dangerous at all. Many women, as a consequence of rape and/or as a consequence of sexual molestation, seductive parental behavior, or sexual criticism by a father or mother, or an abusively religious bias against female sexuality in their youth blame themselves for the predatory behavior of their assailants.

Anonymous_Too, what besides your own particular experience, has informed your thinking about rape? It is not enough to say "Because I have been through it, I understand it." There is personal experience and then there is professional experience and study and research. There are vast amounts of material on victimology that take close and statistical looks at how women respond to being raped. They often second guess themselves and blame themselves and even excuse their rapists -- especially if the rapist is a close friend, a relative, a boyfriend, or a husband. That is why immediate rape crises counseling and a few weeks of continuing therapy is important to help them through the experience, to help them deal with the trauma and to drop the debilitating self-blame.

YOU'RE THE MAN OF MY DREAMS, you stud you!

Which leads us to the question:

How does a MAN report a vicious female stalker to the Salon webmasters and have her removed?

You should know that walter is a certified True Believer in Doc Love's The System using specific pick up techniques for catching women.

If you want the link, I can get it for you. The case studies are absolutely hillarious and the POV is simplistic: Men = Well meaning creatures and Women = "anaconda" snakes in the grass who are always playing mind games on men and who actually deserve it when they get raped.

In other words, it is PUA techniques for scaredy cats. I will take the Mystery Method-types over this paranoid stuff any day.