Letters to the Editor
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patriarchy?
People want to make a big deal out of the fact it is those asswipe mothers that are doing this to their female children.
I don't know if it is "the patriarchy" that does this or not, but open any Playboy from the last 6 or 7 years. You can hardly find a "model" in there who has any pubic hair left. I think all of the Playboy Bunny of the Year for the last decade or so has had a boob job. And now women are having thier labia cut to look like those models in Playboy who have their exposed labia photoshopped out.
Playboy, Maxim and their ilk are instructional mags for women - they show us explicitly what men find "attractive". The women's mags exist to inform women they are defective and all the ways they can "improve". The combination is kind of deadly to women, and men now have some sort of distorted view of what women look like. Real women that is.
Judging from the lad magasines and porn, men seem to like the large fake boobs on top and the child like vulva below.
So women react - stupidly. Or rather, stupid women react. And women who have grown up with the increasing acceptance of a boob job and removing pubic hair are now introducing these values to their daughters, where in the past, they may have only introduced makeup and hair styles.
This won't stop until women decide men aren't worth it, or men decide fake women are repugnant.
Don't see when that will happen, so . . . my guess is that this is just the way it will go on.
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What's Wrong
With wheat colored jeans?
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the reason porn stars shave is becasue it reduces chafing when you screw A LOT, (works for non stars too)
someone having "normal" amounts of sex doesn't need to shave for this reason of course, but since males, especially young ones (and ugly ones of all ages), have to rely so much on porn given the difficulties of finding women to have sex with it isn't at all surprising that porn standards have influenced how men see sex. Reading more than that into it just illustrates the sexual hysteria and prudery that causes porn to be a much bigger part of more peoples lives than it would otherwise be. I'm not suggesting that porn would ever disappear completely if more women were interested in more sex, but there would likely be less of it.
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@Brightstar
"I suppose it is different when young women sexualize THEMSELVES voluntarily in hopes of scoring a high status male.
It is always about the passive, sexless female and the men that make her over huh?"
I'm with NancyH about this. The original post was about an 8-year-old girl, not some tartlet who's getting a wax to score a guy. To think otherwise is beyond creepy. I'm hoping this is not what you meant.
(By the way, where was it suggested that the big, bad men are forcing women to get this done? I don't recall seeing anyone say that.)
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@Shazzer
I'd had to lie down to zip them up, and Dad considered the tight, light fabric immodest. So I put on darker ones, and he was just fine.
Go figure. My mother and I told him he was being silly, but he persisted and, as I said, I changed.
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handcuffs
Doppelganger:
I sense your frustration that your point is not getting through. You write:
"If I took my eight year-old daughter somewhere to get a waxing, I would be in handcuffs, immediately. I am asking a really, really simple, straightforward question -- shouldn't a woman be subject to the same punishement?"
My answer is no, and neither SHOULD you. A parent of any gender taking an 8 year old for a bikini wax is disurbing and apalling on many levels, but I don't quite think it's criminal (at least not in terms of being sexually abusive...though perhaps bordering on physical abusive).
Whether you (or any father) WOULD be subject to treatment as a sex offender (or at the very least being investigated as such) is another story entirely. You are probably correct that the cops would be called and you would be questioned. A mother engaging in the same behavior would not be treated as a potential sex offender because, right or wrong, most people will not make the assumption that a mother is having her daughter's nether regions waxed for her own sexual enjoyment. Certainly most fathers don't have these motives either, but when a father does something creepy like this, it's easier to jump to this conclusion. It's comparable to a situation in which a child is having nightmares and crawls into bed with his or her parent. If it's the mother, no one would blink, but if a child, male or female, is sleeping (alone) with his or her father, the father's motives will surely be called into question.
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Don't misconstrue
Just pure nastiness
Brightstar, I am happy to argue with you and sometimes agree with you but are you realy trying to argue that the perhaps apocryphal 8-year old is trying to score a high status male? How about the 14 and 15 year olds married to 40 and 50 year old guys in the LDS compound. . . . Really?
No, of course I was not arguing this, I was commenting on the supposed passivity of women that the other poster suggested. Women are in a bind and in an opportunity, in a way (over 16 y.o. women)-- if they take initiative to look better, they are performing this to get better status males. If they are encouraged to do this instead by others, they can accuse someone else of trying to foist this on them.
MY ANSWER (as usual, there are two ways, and then there is a third way, the Patented Brightstar way), is that women ought to look beyond this issue. For really, being a good looking female but dumb as a brick yields you shallow male losers. Not so good looking female but smart and confident yields you good men, typically. WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER-- Shallow male losers or smarter better men?
And, I would again ask-where is Dad in all this? You of all people have argued for the importance of fathers (and I certainly don't disagree). I can tell you that my husband and all the men I know (and women for that matter) would identify the waxing as child abuse and the hair-color/mani/pedis to be wasteful indulgences.
I cannot but agree with you here. Where are the fathers? If they are still around and were not shown the door, they are probably too intimidated to say anything about this issue. I know, I know, guys need to stand up for right and wrong. Yet sometimes 'wrong' is not so clear.