They do that. Worry when the BNP starts getting some actual political power, or if a Tory or Labour party leader starts spouting off nonsense like this.

I find the analogy of force feeding cake and rape disgusting. It would be like a woman who is force fed cake and then for the rest of her life, has to deal with body immage issues, eating disorders and issues surrounding something that she used to enjoy. And to think that a husband has rights over a wife to do what he pleases is disturbing. Women are not the property of men. One of the issues that rape victims struggle with is that because sex is pleasurable, they feel extreme guilt because though they did not want it, they did feel some pleasure from it. It's that type of mentality that makes victims keep silent.

One of the issues that rape victims struggle with is that because sex is pleasurable, they feel extreme guilt because though they did not want it, they did feel some pleasure from it.

My understanding is that rape is a violent crime in which the woman suffers tissue damage whether she is raped vaginally or anally, on top of any other violence inflicted on her by the rapist as he forces her to submit. I can't see how any woman could derive pleasure from that (not to mention the mental anguish accompanying the assault).

therefore waterboarding is not torture.

Force-feeding isn't exactly a picnic, either... this guy is a real prize...

I agree with all the people who have mentioned that force-feeding someone anything, including chocolate cake, is bad,

and I would go so far as to say that's why the comparison is so apt: it doesn't matter whether the person likes chocolate cake, it doesn't matter if she would have happily eaten the chocolate cake had the perpetrator not preemptively forced it on her, it wouldn't even matter if she somehow managed to enjoy the taste of the cake during the crime, it would still be a both a dangerous and a heinous crime, and no doubt very traumatic and leave the victim lingering emotional and physical distress.

And anyone who supports this kind of violent crime should not only not be elected, they should be forced to register their whereabouts with the police and never be allowed within two blocks of a bakery!! (Ok, this last paragraph is a bit of joke, but it's a joke made from a place of being seriously horrified.)

for all the BNP-are-fringe-neo-Nazi-lunatics posters.

The repugnant misogynists who post on Broadsheet are proof that there are many many men who claim to think that rape is wrong, but will justify it as the product of repressed male sexual urges.

Rape is not about sex, it's about degredation and power. It's an act intended to demonstrate that the rapist is entitled to a person's body despite his or her feelings. It's a deprivation of another's free will, which is the most egregious sin possible.

Reading some of the vapid responses to this article makes me feel like I've been force fed chocolate cake... filled with maggots.

Even when the KKK says dastardly, racist, bigoted things, I think it is still our duty to report them as what they are: dastardly, racist, bigoted things. Sure, one expects no less from the KKK. But as soon as racism from the KKK becomes acceptable, in any form, you run the risk that people will start to think of it as normal, and not as what it is... institutionalized stupidity.

Even if the BNP is a fringe group, that doesn't mean we should stop talking about how revolting and radical their ideas are, lest we become tempted to start thinking of their revolting ideas as normal, even if it's just normal within the context of the BNP.

when you force feed someone cake, they could choke to death...or throw-up.....

hmmm....

not the best analogy boys.

Yes, a pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease brought on by a forced sexual encounter would be no bother at all. Really.

When I first came on these boards a few years ago. I was under the naive impression that if only I explained the guy's point of view, feminists and women would hear me out and consider my position and possibly reconsider some of the policies feminists and women support but which limit or hurt men.

Boy was I naive and dumb. There has rarely if ever been a sense that women feel I am an equal to them or that somehow the door swings both ways. I almost never feel feminists even minimally try to be fair or consistent with their rhetoric regarding how they want to free BOTH SEXES.

Which leads to the PUNCHLINE. Where I used to place women as equals with me, I now feel increasingly spiteful, resentful, bitter and angry about how recalcitrant and piggish so many of the women on here seem to be. And how utterly appallingly unapologetic they are about it.

Indeed they keep pushing that it is ME that has to change, invariably to serve some woman's agenda some more.

Men are bitter and forced into a corner today. Women are completely uncooperative and closed minded.

Men have no choice but to hunker down and find more extreme ways to communicate how we feel about the situation. since this does not work, we are back to square one. Passive agressive behavior, the desire to treat women like one feels he is being treated, and a sense of doom and hopelessness.

In other words, business as usual. Women make the demands, men fulfill them without regard to the self.

So much for a two way street. fuck that so much.

Yes, Salon should have included more about who the BNP really is... a fascist organization. (Of course, that could be gathered by the sentiments of their spokesperson.)

But why it still matters to publicize this fascist assault on women is simple. Americans -- whether we like him or not -- are all aware of Rush Limbaugh. I loath him, and am continually shocked at how much airplay he gets even among my progressive friends. (I refuse on principle to listen to his self-aggrandizing and hateful rantings.)

But Rush Limbaugh influences the national discourse. He probably does move it to the right, if even just a little bit.

Likewise, the criminal act of spousal rape -- an act which turns marriage inside-out relationally and makes mockery of relational sexuality -- being compared to force-feeding someone chocolate cake... this moves the discourse unless there's tremendous push-back on it. And feminism these days is being pummeled from every direction, despite all the howling about feminazis and so on from Rush and his many imitators (some, shockingly, women).

I live in a subculture where women are oppressed using the book and the words of the Deity I love. As an evangelical Christian who believes the Bible -- but not the patriarchalist interpretation of that book -- I am continually speaking out on feminism. I have to. I have no choice not to. The drum-beat goes on everywhere in my subculture's context.

Personally, I believe that patriarchy itself is a kind of rape, as well as encouraging rape. That is the larger context in which I see these vicious, disgusting, and criminally insane comments about marital rape compared to chocoate cake.

We have to say something, even if it means we publicize the man who -- after all -- knew saying what he said would in fact get him publicity. We have to say something because sexuality is a beautiful, mutually-shared experience. And, as a Christian, sexuality is about mutual sharing to the point of "becoming one flesh" in a transparent, vulnerable way where all resistance is surrendered in trust and faith in one another's hearts.

This mongrelization of women breaks my spirit. And I will never shut up when idiots spewing hate assault my sisters in the human family.

Jon Trott / Chicago