Letters to the Editor
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Was blissfully unaware of this trend
Not in my industry. Maybe I just haven't been to London much.
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F*ck the F*wcett S*ciety
Enough with the menopausal, thin-lipped, anti-sex feminism.
Enough, termagants!
Who cares what those puritanical hags think. Sad, wrinkled harridans who belong in a hard-line muslim society.
When thay're dead and gone, buried alongside Andrea Dworkin, and hopefully, Catherine MacKinnon, the world will be a better place.
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i'm agin it!
it's not fair that rich men should be able to hire women to demean themselves. you could say the same thing about hiring men, too. but the only solution i see is a mixture of nagging and regulation: these men's clubs must be forced to admit a certain percentage of poor men who must necessarily be allowed a byo privilege.
well-behaved old men such as myself would add a certain air of egalitarianism to this culture, and we could promise to throw our bodies between these naked froward women and any captains of industry whose gravitas appeared to be threatened.
naturally, after the revolution, these naked women will be forced to go down t'pit with their male comrades. i presume these woman are all communists to a, woman. i mean what's the point of being a plutocrat if you can't rub the proles face in your sexual potency? does anyone expect humility and charity in these places? modesty?
come down to wimpy's (still in business, chooms?) and i'll shout you to a cuppa, girls. but if you are determined to hang out in bossland, you must expect to get bossed.
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I Went to a Strip Club on Business Once
The guy I went with is now dead. He killed himself when it appeared that a sexual harrassment case against him was going to definitely go to court. (And yeah, he was guilty as sin.)
There's a lesson there, I think.
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Idiots
What this mostly proves is that Brit execs are a bunch of dullards. Bad music, bad over-priced drinks, women who actually resent you, and so on. And the sad truth is that one naked woman looks an awful lot like the next naked woman, the nudity and caked on makeup seem to erase most of the wonderful differences and quirks that make people interesting and human. I went to a few clubs in my youth out of curiosity, but it didn't take long before I was bored out of my skull.
I don't think the ambitious female execs are missing out on much. I seriously doubt any real business is being conducted at a shout on top blaring crap music over the shoulders of bored contemptuous gyrating drug addicts. And I'm far from sure that there is any real male bonding going on over self-induced sexual frustration, unless they are engaging in corporate circle-jerks in the alley afterwards.
Ambitious female execs would probably do better for their careers staying back at the office and getting, you know, some actual work done. And being able to come in the next day chequing account intact and head not pounding.
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@Bob
Thanks for your defense of womanhood. You're the real man among us, the women-friendly Nice Guy. The Dreamy Male Feminist.
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I spend a lot of time in London, and funny I was walking by Spearmint Rhino yesterday
Looks like a dump from the outside. I have always wondered exactly who goes there -- apparently it is big with guys on City trading desks, derivative and bond traders, middle-eastern and eastern European men, and some guys in advertising, but otherwise nearly no one else in London goes to these things, certainly not the lawyers, venture cap people and hedge funds, etc.
Never understood the attraction myself.
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And those Japanese salarymen.....
I don't know if the practice continues, but years ago those wacky Japanese had "sexual harassment" clubs. The girls were dressed as secretaries, and the club was decorated to simulate an offce environment. Instead of lap dances, the customers could wander around with their drinks and grope etc. the office staff.
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I don't mind going to a strip club, but . . .
It's just weird that you'd do this on business, and it really is rank obnixiousness (or at the least cluelessness) to expect women to come along and not resent it.
I say this as a guy who hates condoms because they cut off all sensation. Don't shoot me!
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No Policies against it?
I would love to know how this type of expenditure is legitimized to the shareholders. I'd say that if you simply must have naked women to seal he deal, your product just isn't that great. Something to consider.
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Make it fair to both sexes.
Hire some proportion of men in skimpy outfits at these places, justify the number you hire by the proportion of female execs accompanying the male execs.
If one out of five execs is female, then hire 20% men in the club to saunter around in torn animal skin short shorts.
If some female objects to business being done at a club such as this, drum her out for being a sexual prude. And certainly women themselves never fail to chomp at the chance to intimidate men with THEIR sexuality.
There is nothing wrong with looking at nice bodies, the cougars would agree with me.
do I have to think of everything?
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You complained about Golf too
Seems that no matter what, you have a problem with it.
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There are policies against it in the US
Most NYC banks and law firms will not allow employees to expense outings at strip clubs, and even vaguely strip-clubby establishments (around the corner from my firm is Hawaii Tropic Zone, kicked off of everyone's expense list, and subject of a hilarious New Yorker vignette last summer: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2007/07/23/070723ta_talk_thomas)
Anyhoo, i would be most offended if I were just not invited to the strip club, rather than having to go there. The best method of protest is not nagging and seeming anti-sex and anti-fun (doing that has gotten us to the point of defending the very word "feminism") but to appropriate. When at the strip club with the boys, participate. Female strippers will gladly give women lap dances, etc. Or, organize to take the female clients and female employees to a male strip club. It would be really fun, AND invite the guys too. See what happens to their queer fear.
Let's be consistent -- if it's our bodies, our choice, then there is nothing really sexist in strip clubs, it's just a business establishment where women choose to use their bodies to make money, and men (and women) choose to go to pay these women for that service. If, however, women don't know what's best for them, then paternalistic regulation of women is up for grabs in other areas too (did someone say abortion?). It's this kind of prudish inconsistency that makes feminists look bad.