Letters to the Editor
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Yellowdog's right...
The men condone and insist upon it - these eager bachelors just want a woman to lie there and take it. To be frank the trauma inflicted during every act of inetrcourse and the woman's pain, wriggling and discomfiture are likely by this point one of the most sought after and enjoyable parts of sex for the men in this country.
Even the tiniest man must feel like some sort stallion when blithely ripping into his mutilated wife.
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More information
To be frank the trauma inflicted during every act of inetrcourse and the woman's pain, wriggling and discomfiture are likely by this point one of the most sought after and enjoyable parts of sex for the men in this country.
Can you indicate a reliable source for this information?
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it's universal
Pain, wriggling and discomfiture are a hot commodity everywhere. Many consumers in "civilized" society get a powerful sexual charge out of that sort of thing. Look at the popularity of Max Hardcore's videos, for chrissake.
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Feminists never need evidence
their mere word, fueled by their psychotic imaginations, is all the proof anyone needs.
Why do you people not listen blindly to feminists? They know us men better than we ever could know ourselves.
Of course all of us men want to harm and hurt women all the time, feminists have decided for us.
No need to think or seek evidence to the contrary. The feminists will FIX us all.
(for the slow ones, this post is sarcastic)
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Feel the Anger!!
I love how the feminists' utter hatred of men is gurgling to the surface on this thread.
Not surprisingly, they still continue to insist cutting into boys is, on the contrary, OK.
WE MEN KNOW WHO THE ENEMY IS.
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Amerigo...
"To be frank the trauma inflicted during every act of inetrcourse and the woman's pain, wriggling and discomfiture are likely by this point one of the most sought after and enjoyable parts of sex for the men in this country.
Can you indicate a reliable source for this information?"
Pain - wriggling - sex makes for an uncomfortable google search at the office, but I remember some aspect of that being mentioned in some articles I've read in the past. Alice Walker's Possesing the Seccret of Joy may mention it - bit maybe I'm mis-remembering.
But a disregard for your partners pleasure and active enjoyment of her/his pain is far too common a thread in fantasies and power dynamics and so on.
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Men aren't the only misogynists, nor necessarily the worst
The whole point of FGM is to keep women faithful to their husbands by removing their physical desire for sex.
Really? That's the whole point? Strangely, I seem to have the impression that in the majority of cases, women are doing this to younger women, an I've seen very little indicating that the men are forcing the situation.
Women must see some personal advantage in doing this. It is possible that in a polygamous society, destroying a young woman's sexuality might protect the household status of an older first wife, as well as that of her children.
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Read the Heading
This is broadsheet.
It is chiefly about women's issues.
Of course, Brightstar wants to say "but what about the men?"
One small area, apparently, is too much for the subject not to be about the men.
Or about him, in particular.
It's the ultimate fear: that people aren't listening, let alone obeying.
Amerigo, do your own research. You'll probably enjoy it.
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Get yourself to a mental health professional
It's the ultimate fear: that people aren't listening, let alone obeying.
Your projection of your own mental condition is embarassing you.
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Research
Amerigo, do your own research. You'll probably enjoy it.
I was under the impression, as someone else implied here, that this was something done by women to other younger women because of traditional practices. The article seemed to imply that Sudanese men didn't know much about it.
If you know something better, why not share your knowledge instead of trying to shit on other people from a great height?
If you are trying to suggest that the answer lies in watching pornographic videos, I am afraid that is something that I am not interested in, and do not enjoy, so, again, please just state what you have seen and why you think it bears on this issue.
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feminists and male circumcision
Where does anybody get the idea that feminists are pro-male circumcision? The practice hasn't been cool with progressives since the '70s. Is it just that feminists are not devoting every available resource to combating it, or what?
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Amerigo
You might have me confused with RammyH here; I was the one who brought up Max Hardcore.
You don't have to actually watch the videos to take the point, though. It's enough to know that they deal exclusively in sex that appears very uncomfortable and disturbing to the women involved, and that the videos are incredibly popular. Given that, it's not out of the realm of possibility that "pain, wriggling and discomfiture" are appealing to an awful lot of people, across continents and cultures.
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I'm sorry
"I also don't believe for a second that those men don't know full well what FGM really is and what it really does. They keep the practice going from knowledge that it works like a charm, not ignorance."
If they beleive it's the right thing to have their future wives cut in such a way, then they wouldn't lie to some foreigner. They would be proud of it. The fact is that the procedure is done prior to marriage, sometimes before the girl even has an offer of marriage. It's done by other women to women. Saying that it only functions as a way to keep women faithful is, I think, a gross simplification. Until the women who preform it stop doing it and the young men refuse to marry a circumcised bride (maybe they should show the before and after and list all of the complications, especially when women try to have children) then it's going to go on. Unfortunately, Sudan has a lot of problems, and I'm sorry to say, FGM is just a very small one in comparison to some bigger ones.
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@ squallorholla
FWIW when there's a story anywhere on Salon about circumcision, there's a surprising number of (self-professed) female readers who write in in favor of circumcision, in fact showing some considerable gusto for foreskin removal.
I have no idea whether or not Sudanese men would be in favor of leaving their future wives unmutilated, but there's no harm in trying that approach, really. It's no more naive than assuming that women wouldn't do that to other women as a matter of tradition, even though they know how awful it is.