organs "we don't need"?

People who sell their organs for money--we're almost always talking about kidneys, aren't we?

Walking around with only one kidney is a big health risk and will almost certainly shorten the lifespan of a third world dweller with no health care. Not to mention short term follow up complications.

We aren't thinking right if we imagine for a minute that selling kidneys for profit is a benign practice. Neither is selling babies, but oh, well.

It was only a month or two ago that the story about -- Indian doctors kidnapping poor men, stealing their kidney's and let them loose with out enough medical care. They finally caught the doctors. (oh, yes and they were selling the organ's black market to wealthy westerns, who probably pretend as much ignorance of the source and how the organs are gotten, as these would be parents -- no , no its great , its more money then they'd see in 3 years, they volunteered, my desire for organ/baby is not immoral!!!)

In a country were poor women are property, don't get to keep their own money -- do you honestly think it isn't their husbands or parents selling their wombs for them???? How stupid can you be - the reason this is going on in a third world country, is because it is unregulated, and highly unlikely that the decision to rent her womb out, is actually in the hands of the women whose womb you are renting. In a country were women control their own bodies, you don't see alot of women volunteering for this.. imagine that.

Two gay Israelis using technology women have fought for for decades in order to bring new life into this world.

How could anyone argue with that?

Thank the Goddess for reproductive technologies women have fought for decades to have developed. We truly are living in a post-gender role Utopia.

God forbid this thing should blossom and men worldwide have new reproductive rights. Reproductive rights EQUAL to those that women have. We really do have a male slave mentality among the women living with us men in this country.

First, MY BODY is bought eight or more hours a day by my company I work for. I would prefer that time back, time I will never get back because I am TOO POOR to be able to do this.

Someone mentioned that the world is incredibly overpopulated already. Yet I NEVER hear you women telling some poor woman in Africa to 'keep it in her pants'. Instead, let's crack the skulls of men who have incredible monetary resources and the live and desire to raise a beautiful child of their own flesh and blood.

Someone else brought up morality. Funny how this is NEVER brought up by women in the context of ANYTHING women do, inside or outside of marriage, be it late term abortion (basically murder) or blackmail, larceny, and prostitution (a good many marriages these days)

Funny, you women seem to think nothing of stealing men's lives from them for a pittance, or worse, for free. Yet, you get all 'moralistic' on us when you perceive a threat to your own reproductive monopolies.

Sorry women, it is NOT all about you, all the time.

Men are humans too, with the same capacities for love and desire to bring life into the world and to nurture it.

Many men are gay and thus cannot have a wife or they refuse to put up with the garbage that women often force fit into marriage because they KNOW the man has no choice but to put up with it if he wants to be a part of his kids' lives.

Parson Jim begins "Two gay Israelis using technology women have fought for ..."

Okay - so if you don't like womb rental, you're an anti-Semite?

"In a country were poor women are property, don't get to keep their own money -- do you honestly think it isn't their husbands or parents selling their wombs for them???? ... In a country were women control their own bodies, you don't see alot of women volunteering for this.. imagine that." -- jrbrown10

The woman in the article used the money to buy a house after her husband had abandoned her. Also, as the article pointed out, there are gestational surrogates in America. Google a bit to find their ads on various infertility message boards. American surrogates are usually housewives in their thirties who are looking to bring in a bit of extra cash while taking care of their own children, or college students delighted to be able to earn money without taking much time out of their busy schedules.

of the woman's body (since we're speaking in such terms)?

Is the westerner leasing "just" the uterus and birth canal, while the surrogate retains 100% control over the rest of her body? Or do the adoptive parents feel entitles to control how the surrogate treats the rest of her body?

Beyond the "don't drink, don't do drugs" admonition, can the adoptive parents insist on a particular diet, exercise regimen, schedule, lifestyle, etc? I picture a typical upper-class high-powered infertile couple insisting the surrogate eat only organic, free-range, "pure" foods; drink bottled water only; exercise precisely 20 minutes 5 days a week (but not 25 minutes!); put her feet up for an hour each afternoon; get at least 8 hours of sleep a night, and be in bed before 9pm; play Mozart on her tummy with headphones; forgo wearing perfume; stay away from dust; etc, etc ...

Is the surrogate obligated to comply with all that (assuming she even could?) Would the adoptive family pay for all that bottled water and wild-caught salmon? Do the surrogate baby's needs trump the biological family's of the surrogate mother? Would the adoptive family be visiting throughout the pregnancy? Would they want to install a "nanny cam" in the surrogate's home?

And, more importantly, what are the repercussions for the surrogate if she doesn't comply? "I saw you smoking, so wer'e canceling the contract. Enjoy your new baby." What if something goes "wrong" (the baby is found to be autistic, or learning disabled, or allergic to peanuts, or has a birth defect, etc): would the adoptive parents feel entitled to a refund, months or years down the road? "The autism must have come from mercury exposure, and since we don't vaccinate, the exposure *must* have happened in utero."

I am using extreme examples here (I *hope* no one would be so intrusive and controlling), but with no formal standards and protections in place, what would prevent some control freak from essentially enslaving the surrogate for the entire pregnancy?

A pregnant woman uses her entire body to grow a baby. It's not "simply" her uterus. So in these cases, where does her leased-out space end and her own private body begin?