People who blame others for their own lapses of judgement make me sick. People need to be more accountable for their own actions.

I don't dress provocatively myself, but I respect the right of others to do so without being assaulted.

Its called "self control"...get some!

really, I do.

I can just see the cab drivers surrounding Brightstar and wrapping him up in blankets, towels, ANYTHING...

Does he think so little of men that they have no self-control or self-respect?

regardless of gender.

it is indefensible that guys should use as an excuse for rape that the women were half naked.

it is indefensible that women should use it as an escuse to be completely irresponsible themselves.

it goes back to, if a rich guy walks into a neighborhood with a sign on his ass saying, "Rob me, I am rich"...

so many guys are deprived of significant meaningful relations with women, then it shocks women that guys become desperate and use excuses.

this will improve, but only once women wake up to this fact that they are not being fair to men. This means, it will NEVER improve really, but at least women can know it is in their power to change it, then go about their ignorant ways anyway and continue to run the game the way they prefer.

and it IS a game.

"so many guys are deprived of significant meaningful relations with women, then it shocks women that guys become desperate and use excuses."

So, what you appear to be saying here is that rape is and example of "significant meaningful relations with women," and that men are justified in becoming desperate and using women's dress as an excuse to have such "meaningful relationships" with them.

Maybe you'd like to rewrite that a bit?

Personally, I suspect that treating women like human beings would be more productive of meaningful relationships...and that road goes both ways.

Many women in this country dress in a fashion that would give those SA men an excuse to rape them, yet rape is not nearly as common here; clearly men can control themselves if they're raised right and the law protects women. We understand that rape is not acceptable, and so most of our men and our laws respect that view. Clearly, SA hasn't gotten it yet.

I think the difference between using sexy stuff to sell most feminism, say equal pay; and having a march that shows leg to protest that leg showing is an unbearable incitement to male libido; is that the march and the mini's demonstrate that it isn't the clothes, it's the evil of the rapists which causes the rapes. It also desensitizes the sexiness of a miniskirt, there was a time when a mid-calf skirt would have been an outrageous display of skin, now it's conservative.

Does that mean "rape"?

The fact that women have such incredible power over men is difficult for me to believe. Can a man not say, to any and all women who are gaming him, "Forget it, I'm not interested in this"? Are they that slavish to what women have to bargain with?

Most men I know aren't. They rather go home and jerk off than be humiliated and controlled. And somehow - SOMEHOW - most of them manage to meet women who will have relationships, intimacy, and sex with them WITHOUT humiliating and controlling them.

This seems beyond you. For that reason, you (not all men, just you) might be better off finding some way to decrease your sex drive, since it makes you such a victim of women. Or maybe you could try being gay. (It may not come as natural to you as it does to actual gay men, but it HAS to be better than the pain you go through.)

Brightstar is regularly full of crap and can be counted on to turn any situation against feminists and women in general.

To Brightstar, everything is always a woman's fault, because obviously women hold all the power in the world and deserve to be punished for witholding sex from the men who so righteously deserve it.

Just in case you weren't already aware. Don't take this guy seriously if you value your sense of decency.

I am just parsing out some of the male mindset that may possibly lead to this eventuality. I do not claim to know the answer, just that I have some theories.

So, what you appear to be saying here is that rape is and example of "significant meaningful relations with women," and that men are justified in becoming desperate and using women's dress as an excuse to have such "meaningful relationships" with them.

No, rape has nothing to do with significant meaningful relations. It is an end result of some men's desperations in some cultures that refuse to create healthy situations for men to maneuver through.

I never said the men were justified.

Personally, I suspect that treating women like human beings would be more productive of meaningful relationships...and that road goes both ways.

Except this DOES NOT WORK. I was taught this exact canard and for me personally it did not bring any meaningful relationships to my doorstep. I did make some female FRIENDS though.

What does work is not politically correct enough for BS. When women control the teaching of men and how men are supposed to act to get involved with women, all hell breaks loose because women have not a clue what situation men are stuck in and what men have to do to get involved with women. Hence THE PROBLEM we read about here going on in SA.

The fact that women have such incredible power over men is difficult for me to believe. Can a man not say, to any and all women who are gaming him, "Forget it, I'm not interested in this"? Are they that slavish to what women have to bargain with?

Women have this power OVER WEAK MEN. Many men are not taught to be STRONG nor are they given the tools to become or act strong.

Most men I know aren't. They rather go home and jerk off than be humiliated and controlled. And somehow - SOMEHOW - most of them manage to meet women who will have relationships, intimacy, and sex with them WITHOUT humiliating and controlling them.

In Berkeley or Cambridge or some other enchanted realm, this may largely be true. Many of these guys come from a breed apart and have ample ambition. We are not talking about these men.

This seems beyond you. For that reason, you (not all men, just you) might be better off finding some way to decrease your sex drive, since it makes you such a victim of women. Or maybe you could try being gay. (It may not come as natural to you as it does to actual gay men, but it HAS to be better than the pain you go through.)

This is not about me. Not by a long shot. I do understand some of the complex dynamics that may be going on on this topic because I think a lot, I am close to my spirit, I am male, and I am godawful honest with myself. Thus I can come up with some perhaps plausible theories as to why some guys may feel so desperate that they would throw away their lives just to have a shot to humiliate a woman.

It is not about me. I am in a shit eating grin happy relationship with my lovely. This grin inducing relationship ONLY came about after I threw away ALL my feminist indoctrination about treating women with respect and all that horseshit.

I do treat her respectfully and well, but the things I had to change in me to get women interested enough in me to WANT me physically had nothing to do with anything I was taught in feminist indoctrinated schools. I finally learned that women have not a damn clue about what men go through, only imposing their own theories based on the female point of view.

To Brightstar, everything is always a woman's fault, because obviously women hold all the power in the world and deserve to be punished for witholding sex from the men who so righteously deserve it.

Just in case you weren't already aware. Don't take this guy seriously if you value your sense of decency.

Thanks for deciding for everyone about me. Yer the Decider, yesiree.

My point of view means nothing, zip, zero BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENDED BY IT. Think about that for a minute. You, the masters and Phds who read this site, who are supposed to be the enlightened ones, the impartial scientific ones, you have decided that someone's opinion that offends you, because it is honest or politically incorrect, is not worth listening to.

IT is no wonder I cannot stand liberals or take them seriously anymore. I can believe when others say liberalism is a mental illness after all.

I was personally taught that everyone's opinions count and that all opinions ought to be taken on their merits, REGARDLESS OF THE MESSENGER and regardless of the tone of the argument. I do not know what planet you dweebs inhabit, but it is not one I want to be a part of.

Hence my distaste for modern feminism. You people could not give a POOP what a guy really thinks. Your incorrect and rotten theories, applied to all men until it comes out their ears, is the way to go for you ladies. No need for men to state their minds here, no sirree.

That is all I need to know to continue my Jihad against modern man-hating feminism. The feminism that gives not a whit about men in the end.

But thanks for not giving me any respect-- it is my ultimate prize and ultimate proof that I am indeed correct about feminism. Others see how I am MIStreated on these boards. You think they think MORE of feminism as a result? Think again.

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