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Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Quote of the day: Obama on Clinton

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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 08:27 AM

last of the bohicans

Stock up on Midol; gonna be another night of zeros for your Bill, Hillary. That'll make ten in a row. Explain that away, Hillbot victims.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:01 AM

LT Bohica

Of course you would say the charges were spurious, that way if anyone called you on your insinuations, you could say, but I don't want them to be right, I'm just spreading information.

What I found strange is that you didn't even link to the article you referenced, so I looked it up and even the Smoking Gun (not known for it's great reporting so much as just publishing court documents) thinks the guy is a kook:

"Ratcheting up the crazy, the Minnesota man who last month posted a YouTube video in which he claimed to have engaged in a sex-and-drugs party with Senator Barack Obama has filed a federal lawsuit against the presidential candidate and the Democratic party, charging that he is being subjected to a vicious slander campaign. Larry Sinclair contends that he has been unfairly targeted after surfacing last month with claims (entirely unsubstantiated, of course)...."

Here's the link:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0214081obama1.html

This is the article detailing the guys lawsuit against the Obama campaign for slander.

I think you're just trying to link "down low" ( a term which I'm completely sick of hearing.) with Obama and hoping people don't actually do the research. LT Bohica, I don't pretend to know the inner workings of your mind, (I love how you said, I don't care if he's gay) but you can't tell me you didn't bring this up as a backhanded form of slander. Down low, of course, isn't the same as being gay since at it's core, it is an act of deception against your partner and your community.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 09:38 AM

528 letters?

that's hot.

All I see is Obama slamming Hill for being negative as a tactic. Sorry if this bothers people, but she definitely brings it upon herself.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:08 AM

AKA Smith

You wrote a pretty long post addressed to me. Too bad it had almost nothing to do with the point I raised. Yes, I'm sure women can be misogynistic too. And so maybe, if Obama were being misogynistic in his statement, he would not alienate half the voters. Fine. My point still stands and it seems to be one that even you can figure out. Why would a politician who's out there trying to get every vote he can alienate a huge share of the voters my being misogynistic? It just doesn't make any sense. See? That's why politicians get tagged for "pandering" so often. Because they're afraid of offending some significant portion of the electorate.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:14 AM

The Smoking Gun is easy to find -- did you really want me to draw you a map?

It's not like I referenced some unknown esoteric blog.

The guy raising the charges is evidently taking a polygraph, and this story is making the rounds in the conservative corners of the internet -- so don't think it won't come up in the general election.

Imagine it now -- Larry Sinclair cast as Senator Obama's Jennifer Flowers.

Recall that Jennifer Flower's case was also spurious and tossed out on it's ear, but the smear did its work.

The Swift Boat charges were also completely false, but they took on a life of their own.

It sure is a shame that you don't like the phrase down low and are tired of it being used, because I don't see it leaving the cultural lexicon anytime soon. Go complain to George Hanna, R. Kelly and the NY Times. I didn't coin it or make popular the infidelity connotations to its usage.

My thoughts?

Currently, Senator Obama is a tabula rasa getting a free pass from the media.

Rooting about the net this morning, I came up with the additional plagiarism instances listed over at Taylor Marsh and the Smoking Gun slander law suit. Then there is that Michelle Obama not being proud of her country for more than 45 years quote. (I wonder if it will get the media play that President Clinton's responses to the abortion demonstrators and the Obama heckler received yesterday?)

To me, the drug charges if proven true are miles more damning than gay sex. (I had to deal with the fall out of don't ask don't tell as an officer in the navy during the 90s and can't tell you how much I really do not care about a person's sexual preference.)

You may be tired of down low -- but I am tired of the hypocrisy of the drug war. While hundreds of thousands of our citizens languish in privately owned, corporate run, for profit prisons on drug charges, the current president, the former president and Senator Obama have all admitted to similar past offenses.

(Even if President Clinton did not inhale, he had an illegal substance in his possession.)

I spent most of my adult life being observed while pissing in a cup as part of command urinalysis and don't cotton to one standard for the people and another for the leaders.

But ultimately - you are just some stranger on the internet who will read what you want into my comments.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:59 AM

@ Robert Franklin

Why would a politician who's out there trying to get every vote he can alienate a huge share of the voters my being misogynistic? It just doesn't make any sense.

Actually, I addressed one possibility in an earlier post to someone else. My possibility was that he did not do this deliberately. His misogyny is unconscious. That is just speculation of course. Almost anything we might way about these people (Homo Politicus as Dana Milbank would say) concerning their choices and their character is speculation. Moreover, he and Senator Clinton are engaged in a great drama, a divisive fight the outcome of which will give one of them an enormous amount of power. I believe Obama to be arrogant. I think there are some similarities between him and Bill Clinton. Both of them probably see themselves as having been touched by the gods (although I think both of them have merely been touched by the charm fairy) and thus they probably think they can get away with things that others cannot. I think we can take some comfort from this. Neither of them, unlike our current pres, claim to be chatting with GOD on a regular basis.

What sets Hillary Clinton apart is that there is no way she can claim she has been touched by the charm fairy. To hear some misogynistic claims that I see here at Salon, she has rarely even been touched by her husband. This is good. It means she can concentrate on her job. We the people are hiring a president not the Second Coming. She has been damned with the faint praise of being competent. People, having endured over seven years of utter incompetence, seem to forget that this is no small thing.

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