"to me the contest that MATTERS is the one in november, for you it apparently is the contest between Clinton and Obama."

This is the primary. In the Democratic primary, the contest is between Clinton and Obama. In this primary, delegates from all states matter.

By the way, Hillary's strategy of campaigning only in "solid blue" states appears to be working really, really well for her, as her "pledged delegate" count is about 140 less than Obama's now. Ready on day one? She can't even read a map.

You really are even lower and more rude than I thought.

But your ability to only provide insults and no real substance is conistent.

I will give you this: you certainly have your opinions, Tom.

I am happy that I don't like to insult people. I feel sorry for you. It must not be very nice in there.

You could do/be much better.

I do my research Tom.

Everything I say is 100% based on reality, not inflated insults like you.

If the contest in November is the one that matters to you, it will interest you to know that Obama not only outpolls Clinton nationally, but he also beats McCain (and McCain, conversely, beats Clinton) in several critical swing states.

Obama is electable. Hillary is not. Boo-hoo for you!

pretending that dissimilar things are similar is not objectivity and pointing out when two things are different is not an ad hominem attack.

You said: And so far no one has explained how it's supposed to make sense for Obama to alienate half the electorate by making misogynistic remarks.

Your confusion lies in the fact that you assume that only men can be sexist against women. This is absolutely not true. Women can be misogynistic and sexist against women. Lots of women experience a loathing for their own sex because they harbor a loathing for themselves, their mothers, or other influential women in their lives.

For instance, it has been my experience that many women who have suffered sexual abuse by men in their childhoods (fathers, step-fathers, grandfathers, uncles) often blame their mothers even if there is little rational reason that their mothers could have known about the abuse. That is because much is expected of mothers (some of this can be explained by the psychology of object relations) and because misogyny so permeates our culture that in passes as almost invisible unless someone actually points it out. It is also because it is fearful to strike out against power. Much easier to be still and quiet and hope you won't be hurt further.

And I know just what riff this will inspire in you. However, this is not a thread about cultural assumptions about men or discriminatory practices against men, but about sexist language in a political race that may or may not have been employed deliberately by one of the candidates.

Moreover, you forget the Hillary-haters. The slightest whistle in their direction and they descend in great numbers upon the innocent blogosphere to spew their message that should be stale but continues to enchant some misognists like Cleopatra's charms. Or may it is the asp swaying back and forth before their eyes hissing: "You will continue to hate Hillary."

If you doubt that Obama's words have inspired a few misogynists in this very thread, you need only to read through it. Half the people who keep talking about Hillary Clinton's negatives are the same people who are determined to maintain those negatives. When one points out to them that according to an ongoing NYT survey those negatives are steadily declining, they turn a deaf ear and post links several months old.

Who's Tom?

If you do your research, why didn't you post links to your "assertions" and why can my assertions all be documented?

Also, why are you still here? I thought you promised to leave.

oh please...

1) Most of the criticism of Hillary mirror the right wing propaganda produced for years by the rightwing/mainstream media and many of the clinton critics display clear signs of right wing psychology.

I don't see any Obama supporter's claiming that Hill murdered Vince, that she's gay, that Bill's a murderer and a rapist, etc. You're right, that would be despicable. Sometimes some of the whole Monica thing comes up, but guess what, there was an entire impeachment debacle about it, it's out there and well known. What was Bill's popularity at the end of his term? It was pretty damned high, no matter what the MSM tried to do.

2) Far more obama supporters than hillary supporters are ignorant or misinformed about recent political history

How would you know that? Hmm? Or is is that because so many young people support him, they must be clueless. I said this earlier, you will always find some people that will support a candidate for a wrong reason, some racists would never vote for Obama or any black man, some sexists would never vote for Hillary or any woman, some idiots in my family would never vote for their own economic interests.

3)The mainstream/rightwing media has not meaningfully examined obama and has relentlessly promoted him.

It sucks and is not fair. The MSM does seem to "like" him the way they "like" McCain. The MSM didn't give fair treatment to candidates on either side, Huckabee (and Romney to a lesser extent) were marginalized, as was Edwards, let alone Ron Paul. Glenn Greenwald has pointed out that the more populist a candidate sounds, the less mainstream, the less they are given chance to be heard or be counted as serious. Maybe, like McCain, the press will keep their blinders on because they think Obama's the cool, popular kid.

4)Many of the states where are obama won caucuses are overwhelmingly republican and the democrats have no chance in them in november.

Yeah, that strategy has worked so well the last two elections. There are only a few red states, a few blue, the majority are solid purple and none should be ignored.

although I'm not sure right now. But both have to be considered long shots to win the presidency. Americans don't have a great history of electing either women or African-Americans with Islamic-sounding surnames to be president. Clinton has long had stratsopheric negatives. A poll back in the summer found over 50% of people saying they would never vote for her, and Republicans have long said they'd prefer to have her to run against. As to Obama, he's African-American with next to no experience.

You'd think after 8 years of Bush/Cheney that the Dems would have a cakewalk, but it doesn't look like it.