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Saturday, Nov 7, 2009
You're right about the link between misogyny and homophobia. I've already stated that though I'm an Edwards supporter, if it comes down to Clinton or Obama, I want Clinton to win because as bad as racism is, this country's misogyny and macho identity has led to even worse problems. A woman President can do a lot to end this stupidity.
I'm talking about, dude, I can't even say it. Starts with an M and ends with an R and has four syllables.
Sorry, I feel dumb but I just can't say it. I feel inhibited.
The fact that Salon is actively promoting this misogynistic, Hillary-hating vitriol disgusts me, but doesn't surprise me, since the rest of the media world has deemed it acceptable to trash the next President of the United States in as demeaning and publicly humiliating a way as possible. Bill is right - Shame on you.
Like 85-90% of men I am big, big, big fan of the vagina, the volva, and the clitoris (in fact I have said I worship the clitoris), and as such am also a fan of the words cunt, pussy, beaver, puntang, bearded clam, and etc. In fact those words and the word orgasm kind of give me an electrical excitement when I hear them uttered by women.
There just words, and the words themselves aren't the problem, but how they are used can be hurtful or degrading. But when attacking the usage, be sure to address your wrath against the users and not the words themselves. I am a big fan of free speech (almost as much as I am of the clitoris), and I don't want to see any word banned, including the word nigger, but I will show my wrath to any racist scum how uses the word nigger to hurt or degrade someone.
To AKA Smith
The word cunt is also sometimes applied to men, and the word is more degrading and hurtful when it is applied to them than when it is applied to women.
The difference between male and female directed insults is that most men take pride in being called most male directed insults (such as dick, prick, asshole, gigolo, and pig), where as women almost never take pride in being called a female directed insult (cunt, bitch, slut, whore, and etc).
Douchebag, pussy and homophobic terms are the exceptions among male directed insults, in that almost no man will ever take pride in being called a douchebag, a pussy or a homophobic term, and douchebag and pussy are male directed insults as they are far more commonly directly at men than at women (so are most homophobic terms, but not all of them).
I am a big fan of the words motherfucker and cocksucker as well.
Perhaps someday women will take pride is displeasing men, as much as men take pride in displeasing women.
Sorry, I meant to write vulva, not volva. My apologies to anyone who has a vulva. And I hope, with all my soul, that I have not displeased any of you.
I am not so shy. I think I may have said it just below before you posted. You do understand that to call a man a motherfucker is also to imply something is a little off with his mother as well. If such incest were a voluntary relationship, he would have broken a major taboo, but so would his mother have. If it is to be construed at a sexual relationship he had as a child, he would be a victim and his mother would be a perpetrator of child sexual abuse.
Sexual insults against men inevitably also involve an implicit insult against women.
You are thinking of the term "son-of-a-bitch" (a term that is almost never directed at a person these days). The term motherfucker doesn't imply anything about a person's mother (and it never has), unless you call me a motherfucker, and attribute that to mean that my son's mother gets fucked in the good way.
I always felt great whenever I was called a motherfucker by either a man or a woman. Being a bad ass motherfucker, or B A M, is a good thing. Just ask Samuel L Jackson.
Well that would rather depend upon how the receiver takes the term, wouldn't it? But you rather make my point. Cunt as applied to a man calls him a sort of woman. It is used to apply a sort of misogyny to insult a man. If women were more valued and sex alone were the context, wouldn't it be a compliment?
You are talking about talking "dirty" in the context of sex. That is not the same as taking a body part used for sex, an outlet for menstuation, and childbirth out of context and diminishing the complexity of a human being and a circumstance involving politics and calling that person a body part.
Remember those conversations that we had in other threads about rape about how penetration is different than other forms of sexual assault? Perhaps women respond differently to such insults because the vagina is a place that can be invaded, if you will.
The other day, in a thread on abortion, I compared the fetus to a parasite and some people were much offended. However, in many ways, both biological and cultural, a woman is reminded that her body is not wholly her own. That body part that you worship can be used as a birth canal or misused as a trophy of war. (Remember Ruwanda?) To many women, the word "cunt" is like a blow. Some may enjoy its use during sex, but many others would not.
Women's struggle is still, after all this time, to be seen as someone beyond a sexual object. For women this struggle is not only cultural but personal. It is a war within our own souls.
This is why that word can hurt.
Oh. You think it means someone else's mother? You are not going to deny that the term mother is part of the word?
Maybe we have a generational or cultural disconnect.
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