Letters to the Editor
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sufficient vs necessary
Ruth Alice- May I suggest that you are missing a generational perspective which some of us are trying to point to. You state that restaurant work is a traditionally female field, and that is why it is underpaid. You are confusing correlation with causation and you are confusing sufficient with necessary condition. My generation sees that restaurant work has always had low pay, and the current group, earining the least, employed in that field is primarily young single latino males. Do you really think the bus boys clearing tables, scraping pots and burning their forearms in fry grease in a world you suggest used to be predominately female really buy into the soundbytes on tv and the newsarticles they read saying how bad women have it. It appears more like self-indulgent, arrogant, entitled female privilege when primarily white women engage in this.
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Thrasher and you identiy feminists, two sides of the same coin
It would be fun to "wish" you all into an arena and hand you all some knives and watch you hack at each other. In the meantime, the sane amongst us men, women, people of all colors are going to get on with the business of making the world better -- we have enough assholes to deal with that it would that much simpler if you folks would just do each other in for us.
Enjoy your victimhood, should power to *your* people, insist you have it the worst, then look around and figure out how George W. Bush got elected and think about what they are going to do when either Clinton or Obama get the nomination.
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Stokely Carmichael and others
While we're doing ideological paleontology, it seems to me that Mark Rudd and Stokely Carmichael were both pieces of work. I heard Rudd's sexism at Holyoke for myself.
What's the revisionist thought on Stokely's "The only position for women in the Movement is prone"?
Yes, I realize that's all old news. The New Generation doesn't hear it. I suppose I would be wasting its time by quoting Santayana, who lived several generations before I did, and who said "those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it."
It's too easy to dismiss that as Women's Studies 101. Or American Studies 101 -- gender-free.
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AKA Smith: I have already put you on notice that Black woman do not like White woman dividing us
I have no intentions in a chat room of posting about a out of context Shirly Chishom quote that a white woman a white feminist like you and others have for years used to recruit Black woman..
I have been up close and personal with Shirly and in her own words distance herself from your standard propaganda post..
Obviously her words mean more to me than a angry white woman in a chat forum...
Get real lady..
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ANON: please try again "your cum ba ya post" does not work on me..
I am a living legend a icon in my venue...My community does not use terms like victimhood and other deflective white propaganda terms to take our eyes off target..
Come on step up with better posts and better candidates than hillary and edwards..
I can....
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Oh, I'm not kumbaya, nothing would please me more than
to have an all out war between all the identity politics groups.
Go for it, the feminists are keeping you down, so you should do all you can to make sure your boot stomps their face first.
Who is the bigger victim? Who the bigger martyr? Who has the bigger dick, you or the feminists? Hard to say.
Enjoy your hate.
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I am a living legend a icon in my venue
You are perhaps a living legend in your own mind. Probably not even in your own basement.
Living legends don't have to tell everyone how fantastic and legendary they are.
What you mainly are is a loudmouth and a joke and quite likely a total fraud.
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I'm an octopus
You vertebrates amuse me.
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@anonymous @1:29
I'm impressed by your comment to Ruth Alice. Your example of how you and others in your generation see young Latino males replacing women as waitstaff and short-order cooks is well taken, but perhaps limited by geography and city size. In NYC, where I live, it works just fine. I don't know if it would work as well, say, in a state that was primarily rural.
The point is that these are not desirable jobs and that people who hold them do need an opportunity to turn them over as they educate themselves and rise in the world. This needs to be made possible by access to education and healthcare.
I will be interested in watching to see how compensation is doled out for the generation of men and women in which more women enter college than men. I am not optimistic, but I've been wrong before. It's gotten much better. It can get better yet. The charge that feminism is an elite white women's movement was with us in the 1970s and seems to be with us now -- notwithstanding "foremothers" like Sojourner Truth.
I think it's too easy. I think it's a version of the mommy wars, designed to be divisive. As such, -I- think it's unnecessary.
Do you?
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Don't blame the feminists for lack of childcare
My mother was poor and had kids, and her number one concern was getting a job that paid enough to support us in the "help wanted--female" section, and getting insurance without my absent father's signature. The feminist leaders have made these two challenges history. If you're going to complain about what they haven't accomplished, you should also note what they have. Those were some huge hurdles.
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First Look
When you look at someone, your first thought is not what is that person's race or ethnicity, no you think 'is that a man or a woman?'
I'm grateful to every person who has born witness to any kind of injustice over the years.
I'm also thankful I'm not in a primary state. I'd love to see Co Presidents Clinton and Obama, Edwards as Attorney General and Richardson as Secretary of State.
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Matrix of Domination
That much of the discussions on here thus far have focused primarily on race and gender, with a smidgen of class, is not surprising. All three are viable elements of Collins’ Matrix of Oppression.
Lacking from our discourse is any mention of disability. It seems that any deviation from expected normalcy causes the “abled” to shift uncomfortably or react with wretched instances of horizontal oppression. I, a deaf, white man, have experienced enough oppression and marginalization in my life because of my inability to participate in spoken dialogue from all races and genders. The common thread between all is their inability to look at me as a functioning person, and their refusal to accept alternative means of communication.
Audism, of course, is systematically accepted precisely because the abled refuse to understand the plight of the disabled. My requests for subtitles and captioning are routinely ignored by major media centers. An old white man is fired for calling a group of women nappy headed hos, while another old white man publishes an article for Harper’s wondering how deaf-mutes schtup. To writ, I haven’t seen the massed protests, or groups of deaf schtuppers appearing on Oprah.
My point is not that the deaf, or other disabled, have it worse than everyone, but Collins’ ideas deserve to be echoed – all elements in the Matrix are interrelated. A blind, black man has a different sort of oppression than an abled, white woman. A deaf, white woman has a different sort of oppression than a deaf, white man. Collins’ may not have included disability in her Matrix; however, possession of that trait is as cruel in our society as lacking masculinity or having pigments. After reading Steinem’s article, I doubt that she’s dedicated to all elements of the Matrix. In my eyes, that diminishes her value to all anti-marginalization movements.
I won’t be voting for Hillary; not because I’m intimidated by strong women, but because I disagree with her voting record.
I do agree with the fact that many of her campaign videos were sent to Project ReadOn to be subtitled.